On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:42:19 -0700, "Marcello" <marcello@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"Fair & Balanced Trebor ©" <trebby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:10:47 -0700, "Marcello" <marcello@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"Fair & Balanced Trebor ©" <trebby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:26:52 -0700, "Marcello" <marcello@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>"Fair & Balanced Trebor ©" <trebby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:45:24 -0700, "Marcello" <marcello@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>"Fair & Balanced Trebor ©" <trebby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:58:07 -0700, "Marcello"
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>>>>>>>>>Exactly what policy of Kerry's is intended to solve the above
>>>>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>>>>problems?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #1 repeal tax custs for the rich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #2 stop outsourcing of jobs
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isn't this contradictory?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You suggest to tax the cor****ations locally yet
>>>>>>>expect them to bring jobs back to the US? Please explain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy. It's time to stop letting cor****ations blackmail American
>>>>>> workers. If cor****ations want to ex****t American jobs overseas,
then
>>>>>> before they ****p their slave labor products back to the US they are
>>>>>> going to have to pay an im****t fee equal to what it would cost if
it
>>>>>> was still being produced by Americans. That will stop the ex****ting
of
>>>>>> jobs real fast.
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>>>>>Yeah, and it will also mean that plenty of goods you buy at low
prices
>>>>>that
>>>>>the m***** take for granted being inexpensive suddenly go way up in
>>>>>price.
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>>>> Not as much as you think. This is another cor****ate fable used to
>>>> blackmail workers/consumers. Most of the increase in profits that
>>>> comes after ****fting to overseas slave labor goes into the pockets of
>>>> wealthy stock speculators and cor****ate management - not the
>>>> consumers, who almost never see a drop in prices when jobs are
****fted
>>>> overseas.
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>>>Yeah, and if the clothes you weak everyday were 100% made in America by
>>>American workers the average citizen wouldn't be able to afford more
than
>>>1
>>>pair of clothes.
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>> You're out of your mind. Nike shoes that sell for more than $100
>> actually cost less than $5 to make. The $95 difference is going into
>> the pockets of wealthy speculators and cor****ate management and not
>> into the pockets of consumers. Get a clue.
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>You are talking about designer brand labels which I agree with you
contain
>an absurd markup, but that is twisting what I said.
Incorrect. You said Americans couldn't afford to buy clothes if they
were produced domestically. You are wrong because Americans buy Nike
shoes even though they cost 20 times what they cost to produce. Most
of the savings from slave labor is not passed onto American consumers,
and that's true whether or not it is a designer label. It is priced
about the same as if it were produced domestically, only with an
increasingly larger share given over to wealthy speculators and
cor****ate management. That's the point you don't want to look at:
there is little or no savings to average consumers whether it is
produced here or abroad. The added savings goes into the pockets of
speculators. You also have to keep in mind that outsopucing drives
down wages in the US since Americans are being forced to compete with
slave labor. So not only aren't the savings being passed along to
consumers, but consumers ultimately have much less disposable income
to buy them with. All outsourcing really does is increase the gap
between rich and poor, and that's exactly what you see happening both
in America and around the world today. Stop substituting the plain
and obvious facts with capitalist ideology.
> What I am referring to
>is the majority of product lines that are not made up of designer labels
yet
>allow Americans to live with an over abundance of products while a good
>****tion of the rest of the planet needs to work an entire week just to
put
>food on the table.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Industrialization
has nothing to do with distribution of income. The only reason
Americans aren't living in shacks and working for an entire week just
to put food on the table, like they are along the Mexican boarder, is
because of unions and labor laws and minimum wage laws. But
outsourcing is driving down wages and destroying unions and the
minimum wage is less in real dollars than it was in the 1960's and
that's why this country is heading the country in the wrong direction,
so why we may indeed be working just to put food on the table once
again if Republicans have their way.
> If you want to have this country get down to that level,
>then the fastest way is to either have our prices at home go through the
>roof or have our wages drop to significantly low levels. You may
disagree
>that oursourcing of jobs has anything to do with this, but please tell me
>how taxing the cor****ations further is either going to help keep prices
down
>or keep wages up? That is not logical.
That's because you're living in a cor****ate fantasy land and you think
your theories about what should happen are the same as what really
happens when jobs are outsourced. Btw: taxes on cor****ate profits are
not a cor****ate expense and have absolutlely nothing to do with
consumer prices.
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