Re: The deaf, dumb, and blind biofuel cultists have yet another heavy issue to explain away!

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0700 (PDT), Curt
<obadiahlynch@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mumbled:

>On Mar 12, 12:16 pm, Owl Cafe & Filling Station <et...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>> <obadiahly...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mumbled:>
>> >> >> >> >>As usual.   The talk show hosts, political journalists and
politicians
>> >> >> >> >>should just STFU about biofuel.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Why?
>>
>> >> >> >> > If you really want it to happen you would understand that
raising
>> >> >> >> > awareness is key.
>>
>> >> >> >> I didn't make my point clearly there.  I meant to say, the
should stop
>> >> >> >> criticizing biofuel research.  As in the old example of the
IBM executive
>> >> >> >> ridiculing the idea of a personal computer, criticizing
research never got
>> >> >> >> anything built.
>>
>> >> >> >We shouldn't be criticizing it. But I'm not so sure we should be
>> >> >> >subsidizing corn ethanol. That there, that's a scam.
>>
>> >> >> Nope.
>>
>> >> >> It's a transition until cellulosic and switchgrass gets going.
>>
>> >> >I'm all for it. Let's see if we can get more energy out than in. So
>> >> >far we can't, and thus our subsidies to ADM are merely .. a gift ..
to
>> >> >ADM.
>>
>> >> Fool, if we do NOTHING the technology never EVOLVES!
>>
>> >> No infrastructure for production can be built without INVESTMENT!
>>
>> >> Why are you so ****ing STUPID????
>>
>> >Maybe because I know more about distillation than you do. Had a
>> >friend, and all that.
>>
>> YOU ****ING IDIOT!
>>
>> The same tired act, again and again!
>>
>> > It's currently expensive as hell, and it costs
>> >more to get a BTU out than a BTU is worth.
>>
>> ONLY for basic CORN!
>>
>> Toss in waste products and the economics changes immediately.
>
>Are we making ETOH out of "waste products"? Or is that one of those
>"future technologies" that never seems to actually materialize?

I despise you for your stunningly repetitive STUPIDITY!

http://www.reuters.com/article/GlobalAgricultureandBiofuels08/idUSN1464585220080114

NEW YORK (Reuters) - POET, the largest U.S. ethanol producer, hopes to
add facilities to make cellulosic fuel onto the majority of its 22
distilleries in coming years, the company's CEO said on Monday.

For starters, POET is putting one cellulosic plant it calls Project
Liberty onto an existing traditional ethanol distillery in Iowa that
will make next-generation ethanol by 2011 from corn-cob waste.

"Our goal would be to replicate Liberty at a majority of our
facilities throughout the country, long term," Jeff Broin, the CEO of
the South Dakota-based private ethanol producer, told the Reuters
Global Agriculture and Biofuels Summit in a telephone conference call.


>No, we're making it out of corn. And we're wasting perfectly good
>diesel to do it.


Are you terminally DULL?

There is step #1, then step # 2, etc.

All industries grow and develop, you ****ing moron.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GlobalAgricultureandBiofuels08/idUSN1464585220080114\

Cellulosic is a next-generation ethanol that uses microbes and other
techniques to make fuel from the woody bits -- or cellulose -- of
nonfood crops such as switchgrass and poplar trees. The fuel, which is
not yet made commercially, can also be made from crop waste left over
from making traditional ethanol.

It is considered to be milder on the environment because it doesn't
require additional inputs such as fertilizer. In addition, the fuel is
unlikely to be blamed for helping to boost food costs.


>>
>> >There's no point in "transitioning" to ETOH until someone can make it
>> >work. So far, no one can.
>>
>> BULL****!
>>
>> >As soon as someone can, we'll "transition".
>> >That'll be fairly easy.
>>
>> >Quit calling people names.
>>
>> DROP ****ING DEAD YOU LYING PIECE OF MORONIC ****!
>>
>> >Maybe folks will take you more seriously.
>> >That's just advice. Take it or leave it.
>>
>> Do you truly think anyone but Homu, ****zer and Gothman take you
>> seriously, do ya?
>
>To tell you the truth, I don't know 

You are so ****ing stupid it hurts to even TRY and communicate with
you.

It's like talking to a concrete block.

>>
>> >> >> >The Brazilians can make it work.
>>
>> >> >> Cane sugar has a higher energy content. We need to plant sugar
beets.
>>
>> >> >And not subsidize them.
>>
>> >> Damn you are one stupid ****ing OAF!
>>
>> >> The way to INSURE a replacement technology takes hold is to INCENT
IT!
>>
>> >I don't want corn ethanol to take hold.
>>
>> Tough, E85 has already handled that, fool.
>>
>> > It's expensive and
>> >environmentally heinous. It's wasteful. It's a pretend technology.
>>
>> It's up and running, deal with it.
>>
>> >Don't get me wrong -- I think people should experiment. But I don't
>> >want to fund their experiments in such an obviously wrong-headed
>> >endeavor.
>>
>> >I've not been convinced that sugar beets are better. If they are, they
>> >should pay for themselves. If they aren't, they should go away.
>>
>> You are so amazingly clot-headed.
>>
>> It will take more than market forces to get us OFF im****ted oil.
>
>Absolutely. Let's start by tripling the CAFE standards, effective
>2010.

Let me guess, you think the laws of physics no longer apply?

Or you'd like to see everyone driving 12 HP, 900lb. carbon fiber pods?

Damn you are one stupid sack of ****.


>> >> Would you please, please buy a ****ing economics textbook and READ
the
>> >> damned thing!
>>
>> >So far you haven't told me anything I don't already know. You haven't
>> >convinced me you've got any .. greater knowledge .. than I do.
>>
>> But that's because you're a total idiot.
>>
>> You're just a total ****ing JOKE of a person.
>
>And yet, you're the one everyone laughs at 

The mirth of self-deluded lieberals is their own self-indictment.

I scorn and deride you stupid bastards at will and yet you come back
for more.

What a joke you are.

>>
>> >Why
>> >don't you suggest a chapter for me to read. Be specific about what you
>> >think my deficiencies are that need corrected.
>>
>> Try: "The hidden military cost of im****ted ME oil..."
>
>Hey, you're the Iraq war backer here, not me. I knew about that stuff
>years ago.
>
>>
>>
>> >>http://www.usda.gov/oce/EthanolSugarFeasibilityRe****t3.pdf
>>
>> >> The cost of converting sugar beets into ethanol was estimated to be
>> >> approximately $2.35 per gallon based on 2003-04 sugar beet market
>> >> prices and estimated sugar
>> >> beet processing costs. Feedstock cost was estimated at $1.58 per
>> >> gallon of ethanol produced,
>> >> representing 67 percent of the total ethanol production cost. These
>> >> estimates may understate the
>> >> relative profitability of converting sugarcane and sugar beets into
>> >> ethanol, compared with
>> >> processing sugarcane into raw sugar and sugar beets into refined
>> >> sugar, due to price increases for
>> >> raw and refined sugar in recent months following the hurricanes in
>> >> Florida and Louisiana in
>> >> 2005. While sugar production is expected to rebound in 2006/07, U.S.
>> >> sugar prices will likely
>> >> remain considerably above forfeiture levels.-
>>
>> >Great. So if someone can already make money raising sugar beets for
>> >ethanol, why do we need to subsidize them?
>>
>> Because it helps give the entire process a critical mass KICK START!
>>
>> You MORON!
>
>When you call someone a moron, it helps if you don't use phrases you
>don't understand -- like "critical mass KICK START" -- in the same
>phrase. There's no such thing as a "critical mass KICK START". 

Actually there is.

It occurs when a new technology is seeded with capital, either from
the public or private sector.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19231397/

Texas oil tycoon plans largest wind farm
2,000 turbines over 200,000 acres at cost that could reach $6 billion

LUBBOCK, Texas - Billionaire T. Boone Pickens is planning to cash in
on the wind energy boom by building the world's largest wind farm in
West Texas.

The oil tycoon wants to install large wind turbines in parts of four
Panhandle counties in a project that would produce up to 4,000
megawatts of electricity.

If Pickens' company, Mesa Power LP, does build the wind farm it would
be the largest in the world, American Wind Energy Association
spokeswoman Susan Williams Sloan said. It would generate more than
five times the 735 megawatts produced at the present largest wind farm
near Abilene.


>> > In case the price of oil
>> >goes down? It's not going to.
>>
>> None other than T. Boone Pickens is shorting oil now - think you're
>> even 1/1,000th as savvy as he?
>
>Nope. Just a thousand times more savvy than you. I'm not arguing with
>TBP here.

You're a total moron, just a running joke here.

>Oil will fluctuate, of course. But the long term, and permanent trend,
>will be upwards.

A classic restatement.

Here, you actually said:

"In case the price of oil
goes down? It's not going to."

And THAT was why you were PUNKED!

You ****ing DUMMY!

>>
>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/23272368
>>
>> After correctly predicting oil's climb to more than $100 a barrel,
>> legendary oilman Boone Pickens said Thursday he is shorting both the
>> oil and natural gas markets in the belief that oil will stage a
>> short-term pullback.
>>
>> >And if it does, it's easy enough to revisit subsidies.
>>
>> I find even seeing your posts a painful reminder of how amazingly
>> dull-witted so many people are.
>
>Well, see, that's the problem. You say something dull-witted

Dummy, you're done.

So much timely and educational material has been wasted on you it
boggles the mind.

I can only hope that those with an IQ past double digits have digested
what you were unable to comprehend.

So **** off and quit wasting my time, idiot.