On Apr 5, 11:15 am, s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Irshad Manji wrote in Wa****ngtonPost's
> Anti-Muslim Film Boorish and Boring:
>
> > A more engaging approach would have been
> > to pepper the film with positive verses from
> > the Qur'an, thereby revealing that Muslims who
> > expound hostility are actively choosing to ignore
> > the better angels of Islam.
>
> Perhaps you could also show highlights of Satan
> (Mohammed) himself, in order to better understand
> those "high-ranking" angels that "fell" with him:
>
> http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html
>
> > There are plenty of positive passages to highlight.
> > The possibility for women's dignity is shown by
> > 3:195, which states that God rewards "any worker
> > among you, be you male or female -- you are equal
> > to one another." Imagine aligning that passage with
> > the shot of a woman's body mutilated by an honor
> > killing.
>
> And, alongside, we could cite, out of the billion-some
> Muslims in this world, exactly how many exercise this
> heavenly practice... at the peril of their lives. Or,
> perhaps simply cite the Muslim women who espousing
> the equality of women, are still held in high esteem.
>
> > To shame the imams who cry death to non-Muslims,
> > Wilders could have followed their words with these
> > from 2:62 of the Quran: "Jews and Christians and
> > Sabians, all who heed the One God and the Last
> > Day, have nothing to fear or regret as long as they
> > remain true to their scriptures."
>
> AND pay the head tax for not being Muslims, of
> course (which in most modern Islamic countries is
> no longer collected because most of their Jews and
> Christians have either been forced to convert, to
> flee, or have been butchered).
>
> > Indeed, he could have hammered home this point
> > with a shorter, simpler passage -- 109:6, which
> > proclaims "unto you your religion, unto me my
> > religion."
>
> Is this a Muslim pleading his wish to remain a Muslim
> or a Muslim pleading for the rights of non-Muslims...?
>
> [109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
> [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
> [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
> [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have
> my religion.
>
> > Above all, Wilders missed the op****tunity to give
> > Wahhabi sermonizers and sympathizers a real run
> > for their oil money. He could have done so by
> > cutting between their fevered warnings of hellfire
> > on the one hand and, on the other, diverse Muslims
> > reading 2:256 of the Quran: "There is no compulsion
> > in religion."
>
> Perhaps Wilders should have read it not just to the
> Wahhabis but to the Indonesians, who recently refused
> to legally recognize a Muslim's conversion to Christianity.
> Or perhaps he could've cited a single Muslim country
> that recognizes and protects a Muslim's right, "to not be
> forced to remain a Muslim" ... Certainly, Egypt (which
> is propped up by American and European aid) must
> come the closest when it recently decided to "look the
> other way" and instead of throwing Muslim converts
> to Christianity in prison or killing them simply advised
> them to leave their country of birth and to not return
> ever again "for their own safety, of course."
>
> I think, from the 7th Century AD to the 21st Century,
> Muslims might still have a little ways ta go before they
> can start to play dialectical pleasantries. Instead, for
> now, let's just concentrate on how you're going to run
> away from the madman chasing you with the butcher's
> cleaver.
>
> GO SEE: http://islamisbad.com
>
> S D Rodrian
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> *******************************
> On Mar 19, 11:06 am, Viejo Vizcacha
>
> > The Islamic troops that intervened in Spain
> > did so at the invitation
> > of German princes who were quarreling.
> > During the"occupation" of Spain
> > by Islamist, Spain became the light of Europe...
>
> I'm sorry .... which European Imperialist armies
> did you say "reconquered" Spain?!?! Because as
> HISTORY tells it, the "reconquista" was one of
> Spain by the Spanish. There must certainly have
> been any number of European volunteers and
> mercenaries who fought on the side of the Spanish
> Christians, but, is it that you know of any LAW
> by the Moors which forbade non-Spanish Muslims
> from Jihad on the other side?!?!?
>
> It was Europe's longest and hardest-fought war
> of emancipation --700 years! And it was all done
> by the Spanish themselves, who, apparently, were
> not as eager as you to believe they were living
> Spain's Golden Age (and were therefore eager to
> bring it to a close). SURELY, along those 700 years
> the Spanish might have come to realize they were
> living in paradise--had it been true. But, Spain's
> Golden Age came NOT during its subjugation by
> the Muslims (as romance-writers might have you
> believe) but AFTER its liberation from them, when
> Columbus sailed to the Americas and brought back
> enough wealth to make Spain the richest country
> in Europe.
>
> PLEASE DON'T JUST STUDY HISTORY FROM A
> FEW MORONIC HOLLYWOOD ROMANTIC FILMS!
> These films were, for the most part, written by
> hacks whose knowledge of the world ended two
> city blocks from where they grew up.
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://thesolutionisthis.comhttp://mp=
3.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> **********************************
>
> Lauren Keane wrote:
> > > This time the potential affront is a film made by
> > > right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders, in which
> > > he denounces Islam's Koran as a "fascist" book
> > > that "incites people to murder." Rumors put out
> > > by the Wilders camp suggest he burns a copy of
> > > the Koran in the film.
> > > Both cartoon(s) and film are clearly crass and self-
> > > serving exercises that pay lip service to the idea of
> > > freedom of speech while being little more than
> > > vehicles for xenophobia.
>
> Question: Is denouncing NAZI literature as
> "fascist" and "inciting people to murder" ...
> "clearly crass and self-serving exercises that
> pay lip service to the idea of freedom of
> speech while being little more than vehicles
> for xenophobia?"
>
> Surely the Answer must be that such a
> denunciation is either true or false, and
> therefore worthy or worthless.
>
> Well, while Hitler could be held responsible for
> the murders of up to 65 million human beings,
> there are some places in India ALONE where
> up to 35 million souls were butchered under
> the sanctions of The Koran. The toll of the
> Islamic genocide is in the hundreds of millions
> of human beings and it is still ongoing with no
> end in sight (and that doesn't even begin to take
> into consideration the countless civilizations,
> including all the Christian ones which once
> thrived in and around the fertile crescent, that
> were utterly obliterated by Islam... leaving
> behind the monstrous ruin and despair you see
> today everywhere in the Muslim world there).
> Butchery and murder are the school agenda of
> most Islamic children and the teachings of hate
> never end across the lifetimes of Muslims the
> world over... with the possible exception only
> of those who have not been converted to Islam
> long enough to have yet lost the values of their
> previous "human" cultures (as in Thailand, in
> Malaysia, in Indonesia, etc.)
>
> VISIT THOU:http://islamisbad.com
>
> Is it possible to libel Mohammed? Could anything
> bad enough or objectionable enough ever be said
> of this incomprehensibly reprehensible creep which
> he himself did not surpass many, many, many
> times over with his own vile criminal behavior and
> unimaginable personal degradation... as recorded
> by his own proud Islamic biographers? VISIT THOU:
>
> http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html
>
> Just today the UN OKed Islamic Text
> Against Defamation ...
>
> > > The document, which was put forward
> > > by the Organization of the Islamic
> > > Conference, "expresses deep concern
> > > at attempts to identify Islam with
> > > terrorism, violence and human rights
> > > violations."
>
> Perhaps those who are trying to "defame"
> Islam should simply cite the Koran:
>
> 1. [3.151] We will cast terror into the
> hearts of those who disbelieve ...
>
> 1. [8.12] When your Lord revealed to
> the angels: I am with you, therefore
> make firm those who believe. I will cast
> terror into the hearts of those who
> disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
> and strike off every fingertip of them.
>
> > > The resolution "urges states to take
> > > actions to prohibit the dissemination ...
> > > of racist and xenophobic ideas" and
> > > material that would incite to religious
> > > hatred.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, if what the Islamic resolution
> is after is to ban the Koran, then, by all
> means, I for one am all for it:
>
> The Koran is a viciously cynical, unrelentingly
> martial instructionaire for the conquest and
> subjugation of the human race by any and all
> means... including encouraging rape & pillage
> by the conquerors if they live, and, if they die
> in the cause of this immoral conquest, heavenly
> rewards which only a monstrous Satan would
> provide its most loyal/depraved demons in Hell.
>
> No, it is religion(s) that should be banned.
>
> It is time for humanity to purge itself from
> pernicious and (mostly) vile superstitions
> which are not only dragging down our very
> humanity but destroying our morality with
> hate-mongering and a corrupting fight
> against democracy and human rights.
>
> We should pass a universal world-wide law
> which states categorically that "things are
> either real OR unreal," and that anyone
> caught trying to make anyone believe that
> a thing unreal IS real is committing a self-
> evident fraud (punishable by substantial
> prison time).
>
> Yes, it's going to be tough because, frankly,
> we are monkeys. And, who among us has
> not argued over the living room coffee table
> with someone about whether there is or
> there isn't a coffee table in the damn living
> room? But, it's a struggle to save lives and
> to perhaps even push mankind into
> progressing far enough ahead that we may
> survive the next extinction-causing asteroid
> that is inevitably coming our way.
>
> ******************************
>
> On Mar 18, 10:32 am, "Bug-Eyed Churl"
>
>
>
> <theda...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> Islam is just another "brand" of Judaism.
> >> "Orthodox" Christianity, by wor****pping three
> >> gods, escapes the monotheist trap.
>
> >> D.
>
> >> I copied the following questions and
> >> answers from another list.
>
> >> Does it contain a false answer at any point?
>
> >>
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>
> >> 1) Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"?
> >> No
>
> >> 2) Was the name "Allah" revealed for the
> >> first time in the Qur'an?
> >> No
>
> >> 3) Does the Qur'an assume that its readers
> >> have already heard of "Allah"?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 4) Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian
> >> history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 5) According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad
> >> born into a Christian family and tribe?
> >> No
>
> >> 6) Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe?
> >> No
>
> >> 7) What religion was his family and tribe?
> >> Pagans
>
> >> 8) What was the name of his pagan father?
> >> Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
>
> >> 9) Did Muhammad participate in the pagan
> >> ceremonies of Mecca?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 10) Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times
> >> wor****p 360 gods?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 11) Did the pagans Arabs wor****p the sun,
> >> moon and the stars?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 12) Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 13) Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god
> >> different names/titles?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 14) What were some of the names/titles?
> >> Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah
>
> >> 15) Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used
> >> of the Moon-god?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 16) Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?"
> >> Yes
>
> >> 17) Was the pagan "Allah" a high god
> >> in a pantheon of deities?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 18) Was he wor****pped at the Kabah?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 19) Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 20) Did they place a statue of Hubul
> >> on top of the Kabah?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 21) At that time was Hubul considered
> >> the Moon-god?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 22) Was the Kabah thus the "house
> >> of the Moon-god"?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 23) Did the name "Allah" eventually
> >> replace that of Hubul as the name
> >> of the Moon god?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 24) Did they call the Kabah the
> >> "house of Allah"?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 25) Did the pagans develop religious
> >> rites in connection with the
> >> wor****p of their gods?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 26) Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage,
> >> the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah
> >> seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving
> >> the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down
> >> two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting
> >> water in and out the nose, praying several times
> >> a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers,
> >> etc.?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 27) Did Muhammad command his followers to
> >> participate in these pagan ceremonies while the
> >> pagans were still in control of Mecca?
> >> Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78)
>
> >> 28) Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan
> >> religious rites?
> >> Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80)
>
> >> 29) Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called
> >> "the daughters of Allah"?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 30) Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims
> >> to wor****p al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat?
> >> Yes, in Surah 53:19-20
>
> >> 31) Have those verses been "abrogated"
> >> out of the present Qur'an?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 32) What were they called? "The Satanic
> >> Verses"?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 33) Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan
> >> symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient
> >> world?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 34) Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god
> >> in Arabia?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 35) Were stars also used as pagan symbols
> >> of the daughers of Allah?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 36) Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia
> >> use the crescent moon with several stars
> >> next to it as symbols of their faith?
> >> No
>
> >> 37) Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon
> >> and stars as it religious symbol?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 38) As Islam developed over the centuries,
> >> did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies,
> >> pagan temples and pagan symbols?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 39) Is it possible that most Muslims do not
> >> know the pagan sources of the symbols and
> >> rites of their own religion?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 40) Are they shocked to find out the true
> >> sources of their ceremonies and stories?
> >> Yes
>
> >> 41) Can Islam be the religion of Abraham
> >> if it is derived from paganism?
> >> No
>
> >> 42) What then is Islam?
> >> A modern version of one of the ancient
> >> fertility cults.
>
> >> 43) Is the "Allah" of the Qur'an, the Christian
> >> God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
> >> No
>
> >> 44) Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah"
> >> is their God too?
> >> No
>
> >> 45) Then whose god is Allah?
> >> Paganism
>
> *****************************
>
>
>
> arah wrote:
> >> My dear SDR,
>
> >> I am so sorry to you. You have to do
> >> lots more reading and get the
> >> right stuff. Have you read the
> >> translation of the Quran? Until you
> >> read the Quran than you can explained
> >> better who is Muhammad and what
> >> God said to Muhammad. Please be fair
> >> to yourself and others.
>
> >> "By its fruit shall you know the tree." Jesus ...
>
> >> Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come
> >> to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
> >> ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their
> >> fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of
> >> thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
> >> good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil
> >> fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
> >> neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
> >> Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is
> >> hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by
> >> their fruits ye shall know them.
>
> >> Yes, Jesus is right, from your writing
> >> we know who you are and what
> >> you have in your heart.
>
> This is "God's truth" you speak, arah. For verily, if
> what I write are lies, then I am a bad tree indeed!
> But by your own standard, if what I wrote is the truth
> then you agree with me that Mohammed is a bad tree
> indeed. And I thank you for your sincere admission.
>
> Answer me this:
>
> 1) Do you have free will? [Are you
> able to choose Good or Evil?]
> 2) Do you believe God created you?
>
> If the answer to both questions above
> is Yes, then you believe that God created
> men so they may choose for themselves
> whether to go the way of The Good or
> the way of Evil.
>
> This means YOU KNOW that compunction
> in religion is against God's design for men:
>
> YOU KNOW that God wants every man to
> make up his own mind, because God gave
> each man the mind with which to choose
> for himself. And neither you nor anybody
> else has any excuse thinking the choice is
> not exclusively every man's to make. So:
>
> If you follow the way of Islam YOU KNOW
> you can not possibly be following the way
> of God... at least not until Islam ceases to be
> merely a blood-thirsty perversion and joins
> in the way of God, becoming a true religion
> at last.
>
> Christianity and Buddhism reject compunction
> when it comes to religion. And Christianity
> today rejects those who in the past used
> compunction in the name of Christianity.
> Condemning them as not true Christians.
>
> Only Islam remains unrepentant. Only Islam
> demands the murder of any Muslim who, of
> his own volition, chooses to follow his own
> wisdom. Not weeping for the lost soul, not
> trying to reason him back into the fold, but
> blood-thirsty, brutal, savage, butchery/murder.
>
> Therefore YOU KNOW which religion follows
> the way of God and which follows the perversions
> of a savage blood-thirsty desert moon-god cult.
> And nobody need tell you which is the true path
> to God, and which isn't. Because you yourself
> already know--And you know you know.
>
> [if I wrote a lie, please point it out--If you do not
> point it out, obviously, you agree all I wrote was truth]
>
> Thank you, arah,
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mu=
sic.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> re:
>
> >> i feel sorrow for you,
>
> This IS addressed to me, and so I thank you
> for your kind feelings towards me. Perhaps
> you are an honest, maybe even a decent man.
> But, if you are the average Muslim, you have
> been brain-washed by the worst mind-control
> cult in all of human history. Try, try, try to
> break away from that mind-numbing control
> just long enough to consider the mere possibility
> that it is NOT a coincidence that all the evil
> being done in the world today is being done
> in the name of Islam. That there just "might" be
> some real connection between the nature of
> terrorism and the nature of Islam. Know you this:
>
> "By its fruit shall you know the tree." Jesus ...
>
> Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come
> to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
> ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their
> fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of
> thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
> good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil
> fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
> neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
> Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is
> hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by
> their fruits ye shall know them.
>
> This was the warning Jesus gave the world long
> before Mohammed unleashed the evil that is Islam
> upon the world. The results are self-evident. And
> you do not even have to be a Christian to understand
> it. And it is too bad that so many have chosen to
> disregard this earnest warning given the world so
> many/many years before Mohammed was born.
>
> >> don't you feel stupid when you lie such a cheap
> >> lies,
>
> Of course! That's why I wish to find out where
> any possible lies may be, so I can expunge them.
>
> >> as if an ant like you'll make any difference with
> >> such a cheap lies you better study islam well before
> >> you start lieing about it.
>
> I have not studied the ENTIRE breadth & length
> of Islam, but from what I have studied: It is evil
> pure & simple. It is the most monstrous cult in
> all human history; and it has caused the most
> victims in all human history. It should be banned.
> But, like smoking (which also should be banned)
> it would be very difficult to ban without a great
> and monumental effort. And yet, it should still be
> banned, no matter how hard it is to ban it because
> not banning it will eventually be a lot more costly.
> Nazism was hard to get rid of, but well worth the
> terrible cost of having rid our planet of it at last.
>
> >> but be sure Allah currently doesn't want you,
> >> you can't reach Allah, you can cuss and say lies
> >> and filthiesness, but Allah is what you can't reach
> >> or understand !
>
> From your lips to God's ear, because if the world
> of "the supernatural" really exists (and fairies,
> leprechauns, imps, jinns, goblins, ghosts & gods
> are real)... then Allah is without s single doubt
> The Most Unholy Name of Satan.
>
> Sir, it is you who is ignorant of the true despicable
> nature of Islam--for you could not be a Muslim and
> a human being at the same time. Find out a little bit
> about it. Just the smallest bit. And you can begin
> here:
> http://islamisbad.com
> RE:
>
> On Mar 26, 12:03 am, sdrodr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
>
>
> >> On Mar 25, 8:10 pm, "Mirelle"
> >> <mirellepoe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > sdrodr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > Lies, and vilification, of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
> > Mirelle
>
> >> What?! No. No. What I wrote is this:
>
> >> BEGIN QUOTE
>
> >> What God Said To Mohammed:
>
> >> [Historical note, in passing: Instead of
> >> writing His Message To Mankind into
> >> the heart and soul of every man, woman,
> >> and child... God found an illiterate brute
> >> out in the middle of the Arabian peninsula
> >> and gave to that most improbably clod
> >> the message He wanted passed on to mankind.
> >> And so, apparently, as recorded in the Quran
> >> and elsewhere]
>
> >> ... Thus said God unto Mohammed:
>
> >> "Go and maim, butcher, and murder, steal
> >> and rob everything from everyone you kill.
> >> Knock off the heads of anyone who contradicts
> >> you, questions you, insults you, looks at you
> >> the wrong way--be it man, woman, child. Rape
> >> all the girls (and the boys too), no matter how
> >> old or young! Make war on the whole world
> >> that you may profit from its mounds of gold!
> >> Destroy all civilizations! Torture, exterminate
> >> entire peoples! Extinguish the light of human
> >> knowledge from the world! Suffocate all hopes
> >> of individual freedom! And, of course, pass on
> >> the message that I am the only God, and you
> >> are my messanger. Ah ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!" *
>
> >> S DRodrian
> >>http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://music.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> >> * [this is just a summary of the "holy" Quran]
> >> And, of course, Mohammed the brute did
> >> all this very faithfully indeed [as recorded
> >> by Muslims themselves, who are still doing
> >> the same to this day].
>
> >> END QUOTE
>
> >> SEE: http://islamisbad.com
>
> >> As you can see for yourself, EVERYTHING
> >> I wrote was the truth. If you have spotted
> >> the least falsehood in anything I wrote (above)
> >> please let me know and I will correct it *
> >> immediately. That is a solemn promise,
>
> >> S DRodrian
> >>http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://music.sdrodrian.com
> >>http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> >> * I still prefer Moe to your Moo, though.
>
> **************************************
>
> s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>...
>
> >>> It is much more accurate to say that the Muslims STOLE
> >>> the scientific databases of the peoples they conquered
> >>> (since they originally were in reality, mostly illiterate
> >>> Arab nomads)
> > TYPICAL HINDU LIES.
>
> Apparently you believe that
> simply because I cite the horrors
> that Arabs/Muslims visited upon
> the Hindus (and Islam's genocides
> and theft of the treasures of Hindu
> civilization) that therefore
> I must be Hindu! This is most
> amusing, as it betrays you to be
> a person who could not imagine
> someone moral/ethical enough to
> denounce crimes committed against
> someone other than himself!
> [Don't fret, yours is a very common
> flaw in many human beings.]
>
> No: I am not Hindu. It's simply
> that the Islamic genocide of
> Hindus is without question the
> worst crime against humanity on
> record, that's all. Please keep
> this in mind in the future.
>
> In any case, to remedy my
> unbalanced approach, and to help
> satisfy your thirst for a more
> comprehensive historical view,
> here's the reprint of a letter sent
> to Carly Fiorina, at the time CEO
> of Hewlett Packard Cor****ation,
> in response to a speech given by
> her on September 26, 2001 which
> you can [no longer] find at this url:
>
> www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm
>
> S D Rodrian
>
> What Arab Civilization?
>
> November 7, 2001
> Carly Fiorina
> Hewlett-Packard
> 3000 Hanover Street
> Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185
>
> Dear Madame Fiorina:
>
> It is with great interest that I read your
> speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled
> "Technology, Business and Our way of Life:
> What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly
> interested in the story you told at the end of
> your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization.
>
> As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of
> the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to
> 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you
> made in this little story, and to alert you to
> the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the
> Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to
> assimilate all cultures and religions into the
> Arab/Islamic fold.
>
> I know you are a very busy woman, but please
> find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is
> a perspective that you will not likely get from
> anywhere else. I will answer some of the
> specific points you made in your speech, then
> conclude with a brief perspective on this
> Arabist/Islamist ideology.
>
> Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in
> 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began
> their conquest of the Middle East. We should be
> very clear that this was a military conquest,
> not a missionary enterprise, and through the use
> of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad
> against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to
> forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and
> non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous
> communities of the Middle East survived this --
> primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics
> (of Egypt).
>
> Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed
> these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book
> Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance,
> where the communities were allowed to rule
> themselves as religious minorities (Christians,
> Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to
> pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was,
> in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and
> that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and
> up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax
> forced many of these communities to convert to
> Islam, as it was designed to do.
>
> You state, "its architects designed buildings
> that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are
> referring to, but if you are referring to domes
> and arches, the fundamental architectural
> breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead
> of a spherical shape for these structures was
> made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years
> earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological
> record.
>
> You state, "its mathematicians created the
> algebra and algorithms that would enable the
> building of computers, and the creation of
> encryption." The fundamental basis of modern
> mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but
> thousands of years before by Assyrians and
> Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of
> zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many,
> many other developments expropriated by
> Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian
> Mathematics, Neugebauer).
>
> You state, "its doctors examined the human body,
> and found new cures for disease." The
> overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%)
> were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth
> centuries Assyrians began a systematic
> translation of the Greek body of knowledge into
> Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the
> religious works but then quickly moved to
> science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates,
> Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were
> translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into
> Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which
> the Moors brought with them into Spain, and
> which the Spaniards translated into Latin and
> spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the
> European Renaissance.
>
> By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun
> ex****ting back to Byzantia their own works on
> science, philosophy and medicine. In the field
> of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family
> produced nine generations of physicians, and
> founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur
> (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian)
> Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology,
> written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative
> source on the subject until 1800 A.D.
>
> In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian
> philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical
> theory of the universe, in the Assyrian
> language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and
> that sought to replace matter with forces (a
> theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum
> mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and
> destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum
> vacuum).
>
> One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the
> fourth century was the founding of the first
> university in the world, the School of Nisibis,
> which had three departments, theology,
> philosophy and medicine, and which became a
> magnet and center of intellectual development in
> the Middle East. The statutes of the School of
> Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became
> the model upon which the first Italian
> university was based (see The Statutes of the
> School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).
>
> When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle
> East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of
> Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich
> heritage, a highly developed culture, and
> advanced learning institutions. It is this
> civilization that became the foundation of the
> Arab civilization.
>
> You state, "Its astronomers looked into the
> heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for
> space travel and exploration." This is a bit
> melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer
> to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians
> (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia
> were known as astronomers and astrologers, and
> who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so
> rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared
> completely.
>
> You state, "its writers created thousands of
> stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic.
> Its poets wrote of love, when others before them
> were too steeped in fear to think of such
> things." There is very little literature in the
> Arabic language that comes from this period you
> are referring to (the Koran is the only
> significant piece of literature), whereas the
> literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was
> vast. The third largest corpus of Christian
> writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the
> Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called
> Syriac); see:
>
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14408a.htm
>
> You state, "when other nations were afraid of
> ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and
> kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe
> out knowledge from past civilizations, this
> civilization kept the knowledge alive, and
> passed it on to others." This is a very
> im****tant issue you raise, and it goes to the
> heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic
> civilization represents. I reviewed a book
>
> http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/greek.htm
>
> titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in
> which the author lists the significant
> translators and interpreters of Greek science.
> Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1
> was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of
> my review: "The salient conclusion which can be
> drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians
> played a significant role in the shaping of the
> Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge.
> If this is so, one must then ask the question,
> what happened to the Christian communities which
> made them lose this great intellectual
> enterprise which they had established. One can
> ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly,
> O'Leary's book does not answer this question,
> and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I
> did not answer this question I posed in the
> review because it was not the place to answer
> it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian
> Assyrian community was drained of its population
> through forced conversion to Islam (by the
> Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled
> below a critical threshold, it ceased producing
> the scholars that were the intellectual driving
> force of the Islamic civilization, and that is
> when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to
> an end (about 850 A.D.).
>
> Islam the religion itself was significantly
> molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian
> Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of
> the Islamic World).
>
> Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive
> force, it is a regressive force; it does not
> give impetus, it retards. The great civilization
> you describe was not an Arab/Muslim
> accomplishment, it was an Assyrian
> accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and
> subsequently lost when they drained, through the
> forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the
> source of the intellectual vitality that
> propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim
> civilization has risen since? What other
> Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?
>
> You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson
> from his [Suleiman] example: It was leader****p
> based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was
> leader****p that harnessed the full capabilities
> of a very diverse population that included
> Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions."
>
> In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive
> to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian
> boys were forcefully taken from their families,
> usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into
> the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where
> they were Islamized and made to fight for the
> Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or
> scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we
> point to? We can, on the other hand, point to
> the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million
> Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One
> by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is
> the true face of Islam.
>
> Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit
> campaign of destruction and expropriation of
> cultures and communities, identities and ideas.
> Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a
> non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it
> (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were
> destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the
> Ayotollah Khomenie). This is a pattern that has
> been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400
> years ago, and is amply substantiated by the
> historical record. If the "foreign" culture
> cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated,
> and revisionist historians claim that it is and
> was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab
> "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For
> example, Arab history texts in the Middle East
> teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no
> reputable scholar would assert, and that no
> living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first
> settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian
> cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before
> Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab'
> is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the
> first written reference to Arabs was by the
> Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which
> he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" --
> Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by
> H. W. F. Saggs).
>
> Even in America this Arabization policy
>
> http://aina.org/releases/2001/arabization.htm
>
> continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven
> Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an
> official letter
>
> http://www.aina.org/releases/2001/caamletter.htm
>
> to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop
> identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs,
> which it had been deliberately doing.
>
> There are minorities and nations struggling for
> survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle
> East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics,
> Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians,
> Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not
> to unwittingly and inadvertently sup****t Islamic
> fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their
> attempts to wipe out all other cultures,
> religions and civilizations. It is incumbent
> upon each one of us to do our homework and
> research when making statements and speeches
> about these sensitive matters.
>
> I hope you found this information enlightening.
> For more information, refer to the web links
> below. You may contact me at
> k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
for further questions.
>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>
> Peter BetBasoo
>
> Web resources:
>
> Brief History of Assyrians:
> Assyrian International News Agency:
> Assyrian American National Federation:
> Assyrian Academic Society:
> Zinda Magazine:
> Beth Suryoyo:
> Nineveh Online:
> World Maronite Union:
> Maronite Research Council:
> World Lebanese Organization:
> Coptic Web:
> thanks: Peter BetBasoo (k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> *****************
>
> On Feb 26, 10:59 pm, Jim <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> sdrodr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > The So-Called "Clash of Civilizations" ...
>
> > "Nowhere in the world are Christians or Jews trying
> > to kill Muslims simply because they are Muslims. But
> > everywhere in the world Muslims are trying to kill
> > Christians and Jews (and other non-Muslims) simply
> > and solely because they are non-Muslims."
>
> > Now THAT is the crux of the problem defining the
> > so-called "clash of civilizations" today. And if you
> > don't recognize it, and try to solve it, it will
> > continue until we do recognize it and solve it.
>
> > S DRodrian
> >http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> >http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> >http://music.sdrodrian.com
> >http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> >> Haven't read much history, have you?
>
> No: I got it wholesale from the Muslims: Everybody
> Muslim boasts of it. Their holy books call for it (and
> because Muslims are not free to be or not to be
> Muslims ON PAIN OF DEATH), no matter what a Muslim
> may say to a non-Muslim (NOTE: the Koran admonishes
> Muslims never to permit non-Muslins to read it
> because... it is a plan for the military conquest of
> all non-Muslims--Surprise!)... it is the mantra they
> are taught from DAY ONE: That non-Muslims are
> THE ENEMY ... not to be pitied as Christians think of
> non-Christians, or to be loved as some Indian sects
> admonish, but to be SLAUGHTERED (unless they convert,
> of course, and join them in the hunt of non-Muslims).
>
> And, pray tell, what does one do with THE ENEMY?
>
> Well, the Koran is very specific about this (because
> it assumes Muslims will have been turned into
> brainless morons by their religion): Slaughter them
> if they do not convert (except for Jews and Christians
> who are "permitted" to live if they pay a tax (which
> is, a ransom--"blackmail" is such a nasty word) of
> between 30 to 90 percent annually, as specified in
> Sharia (Islamic law)). This is why the European
> Imperialists found some handful of impoverished
> Jews and Christians still in Islamic countries when
> they were competing for empire.
>
> Moronover, [sic] the Koran also specifies that Muslims
> are to slaughter non-Muslims ONLY as long as they are
> more powerful militarily (which is why the large and
> ancient Jewish communities Mohammed found in Mecca
> and in Medina he slaughtered so brutally that even his
> butchering followers admonished him on it and he
> relented, agreeing to not slaughter any child that did
> not yet have pubic hair but instead forcing the lad to
> become a Muslim... while no taking up the op****tunity
> of confronting the Eastern Roman Empire which in
> Mohammed's time still had the power to oppose him):
>
> The Koran (the plan composed and set down in writing
> by Mohammed, dictated because he himself was reputed
> to be illiterate) insists: If THE ENEMY is militarily stronger
> than you, then agree to any convenient truce while you
> strengthen yourself (which is why Hamas is asking Israel
> for an "extended truce" and why Iran is asking The Stoopid
> West for continued & continued & continued negotiations
> and continued diplomacy in their NUKES quest--because
> they are following the plan ... that is, the Koran, which
> if any of the idiots who rule Europe and America would
> simply READ everything would be revealed to even their
> idiotic eyes--but, you couldn't get George Bush to read a
> "Dick & Jane" first reader, let along the ****ing Koran).
>
> > Which muslim country has occupied a non
> > muslim country?
>
> ALL countries now Islamic (with the exception of
> Indonesia and environs, which were convinced to become
> Muslim by mullahs who, after Krakatoa exploded told
> them it was God's punishment for not being Muslims,
> and the poor saps bought it--and, once Muslim, Muslims
> make sure you don't go back with very specific laws
> that if any Muslims changes his religion he/she is to
> be SLAUGHTERED by anybody at hand including his/her
> children or parents)... ALL countries now Muslim were
> conquered by their Muslim neighbors: ALL, except India
> which, after the greatest carnage/genocide in human
> history (with some places in India/Pakistan/
> Afghanistan & environs boasting of as many as 85
> million non-Muslims butchered)... proved too large:
> After the slaughter of 100s of millions of Hindus and
> other poor souls who were all basically peacefully
> resigned philosophically/religiously to whatever fate
> the world has to offer... rose up and again became
> belligerent enough to fight back and stop the Islamic
> slaughter/genocide before the British showed up there.
>
> ... are you beginning to gleam why SLAUGHTER is a
> quality/condition so inseparable from Muslims/Islam?
>
> If not, then perhaps you should do a little research
> on all of this (provided, of course, you have already
> gone through that "Dick & Jane" first reader):
>
> just visithttp://islamisbad.com
OR:
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.afghanistan/msg/ee344ffc53...
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/1138bfa1c4479b79?&h...
>
from:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffe=
....
>
> http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titleArmenian_Genocide
>
> http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/india_contribution/maths.html
>
> http://answering-islam.org/index.html
>
> Or, you could do a little research for yourself.
>
> Or just simply read The
Koran:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/http://ete=
xt.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=3DHolKora.sgm&image...
>
> And some of the controversies about it:http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm
>
> Then, when you watch Muslims on your TV
> lying through their teeth to the American public
> you at least will know enough to laugh (or cry
> when you note that no one will challenge their
> outrageous/deadly lies).
>
> BEGIN QUOTE:
>
> a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(sifu) wrote:
> > Is that why the Jews enoyed the
> > hositality of the Islamic states in
> > Spain for 800 years and also in
> > Jerusalem. You have quoted many ayats.
> > However YOU are NOT a scholar of Islam.
> > You have not read the letter
> > signed by Hadrat Umar Ibn al Kathab,
> > the second Caliph of Islam who,
> > based on the teachings of the Holy
> > Prophet Muhammad sallah alaiwassalam,
> > let ALL people go about their faith
> > and business as usual.
>
> Nor have I read Caliph el Loko's
> call for muslims to embrace love and
> compassion for all non-muslims. But
> I'm sure it exists--So what? In what
> way does it help the victim of a murder
> that the whole world love him but
> one?!?! It's futile for me to point out
> to you, sir, that it is not the
> Koran's calls for love and peace that
> have butchered 100s of millions of
> human beings in the course of the
> Islamic genocide against non-muslims
> (which is going on to this day, as there
> are tribes in Kashmere which are
> on the brink of extinction at the hands
> of the muslims)... it is the
> Koran's calls for terrorism and genocide
> that have moved the "pious Muslims" to
> those inhuman actions.
>
> The Koran may be mere words, sir. But
> what cannot be AND OUGHT NEVER be
> ignored is the fact that no muslim will
> condemn even the most egregiously
> barbaric and savage ****tions of the
> Koran! (Some of which you can read
> for yourself at the end of this post.)
> Will you? No you will not. You will
> instead cite those utterly irrelevant
> calls for love and the brotherhood
> of men which have never caused anybody
> any trouble in the whole sorry
> history of Islam's existence. The true
> terror of Islam is indeed in the
> terror of even the most decent-minded
> muslim to stand up for decency. That
> says all there is to say about the nature
> of Islam, sir. And no one need be
> any sort of scholar to understand that
> gut-real truth.
>
> > While Europe was living in
> > the Dark Ages in mud
> > huts Cordoba, the Capital of Muslim
> > Spain the citizens were living in
> > a city with street lighting, sewage
> > systems, and warm water. The first
> > university in Europe was made
> > by Muslims in Andalucia.
>
> No doubt, no doubt it must have
> been Paradise on earth... living under
> the muslims in Spain. So all the more
> perplexing then that the Spaniards
> themselves invested 500 brutal bloody
> years of revolution and war to rid
> themselves of their muslim benefactors,
> eh?! Me, I don't even put up an
> argument if my pizza is delivered
> cold and gummy.
>
> > People who
> > wanted to learn about science had
> > to know Arabic because the Muslims
> > were the most highly educated. They
> > made great advances in science, in
> > medicine, in astrology, physics,
> > maths, recovered and translated the
> > knowledge of the Romans and Greeks
> > which had been destroyed by the
> > Europeans.
>
> What a croc, sir! That is one of the
> most gigantic "big lies" of history:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffe...
>
> For your edification ALL that so-called
> "Islamic" science is Greek science.
> The fall of the Roman Empire and the
> overrun of Europe by barbarians broke
> the thread of history there, and the
> muslims' only (real) contribution is
> that somehow they managed to avoid
> using what remained of ancient greek
> civilization as firewood. Check your
> history again and you will discover
> that there was no significant advance
> in science since the fall of the Roman
> empire and the renaissance (even
> almost unto the rise of the British one
> and the subsequent beginnings of the
> Industrial Revolution, yesterday).
>
> What muslim "scholars" added (mostly
> in practical medicine, because of
> their lack of scruples about cutting up
> people, living or dead) can be
> summed up in the same manner one
> sums up their great Islamic achievements
> in architecture: They copied, sir, they
> copied. The Arab muslims were utterly
> illiterate barbarians just out of the
> desert, and their only original
> achievement is the camel. Throughout
> the Islamic conquest, what the Islamic
> barbarians did not destroy (the same
> way they recently destroyed the great
> Buddahs in Afghanistan), they shamelessly
> converted into Islamic mosques (like
> the Hagia Sophia Church in Constantinople,
> now a mosque--yet God-forbid a mosque
> should ever be made a church: the entire
> Islamic world would rise up against that outrage)
> ... after which you saw the sprouting of
> mosques (in the style of the Hagia Sophia
> Church) elsewhere. Even the great Taj Mahal
> in India is really an ancient Hindu temple to
> ****va which the muslims have desecrated
> just as they desecrated every Christian
> Church they ever got hold of, and even the
> holiest ground in the promised land, the
> Temple of The Lord at Jerusalem originally
> built by Solomon [even after Mohammed himself
> was re****ted to have been annihilated by God
> for having violated the sanctity of the House
> of The Lord with his filthy presence]. ALL the
> wealth muslims have ever owned they have
> stolen from the people who originated that
> wealth until the coming of petroleum. And ALL
> the splendor of Islamic "civilization" has been
> the enjoyment by the muslims of all they
> managed to steal from their rightful owners.
> They are, have always been, and ever will be
> ignorant and blind to true civilization as long as
> they are under the unforgiving psychological
> enslavement of Islam. Once the petroleum runs
> out, the Arabs will be swallowed up by their
> brutal culture right back into the desert from
> which they came, for, until the coming of
> petroleum there NEVER was a single moment
> in all of Islamic history when their "greatness"
> was not a thing stolen from somebody else...
> no matter what any Hollywood movie says. SEE:
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html
>
> > In Islam a person is only allowed to attack a
> > soldier and not civilians.
>
> Well, you should tell that to the
> massacred at the twin towers. You
> should tell that to the 300,000 (or
> maybe as many as 1.2 million) Arminiam
> massacred. You should tell that
> to the countless millions and millions
> of Hindus and others massacred
> by the muslims. I'm sure it will make
> them rest better in their graves,
> all those women and children soldiers.
>
> http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html
>
> > Your knowledge of Islam is futile.
>
> My knowledge of Islam is enough. My
> knowledge of muslims and their crimes
> is already too much to bear. I wish the
> world had never heard of the bastards.
> And I am certain I am not the only one
> who wishes that. And I, for one, do not
> need to know the color of my murderer's
> underwear. I know this:
>
> If Islam is the ultimate major
> source of terrorism in today's
> world, and it absolutely is (or
> just take the Islamic terrorists
> themselves at their word when
> they all cite the Koran as their
> marching orders)... then it's better
> that the whole world start
> looking into the reason why Islam
> is the greatest source of evil
> in the world, instead of pretending
> its sulfuring festering open wound
> is a lovely blue pool from which
> "for some inexplicable reason" pus
> seems to be oozing from it on a
> regular basis: For centuries the world
> thought disease was caused by magic,
> and it was not until the world finally
> confronted the real cause of
> disease that the world has finally
> begun to control pestilence.
>
> I tell you this: Not until Islamic
> "scholars" themselves begin to
> confront the evil of Islam will that
> evil begin to come under
> control. And it's for the benefit of
> muslims themselves that this
> ought to be done, for the Islamic
> world is STILL in the grips of a
> savage and brutal dark ages which
> far surpasses the European Dark
> Ages which the West put behind it
> CENTURIES AGO. The saving grace
> of the Christian world has, ever
> since the European Dark Ages, been
> that there are so many Christian
> sects (preventing any one of them
> from brainwa****ng Europeans with
> a lot of religious gibberish). And
> what the Islamic world is in dire
> need of is its own Martin Luthers
> to demand a frank and open discussion
> among muslims of those ****tions
> of the Koran which are self-evidently
> more Satanic than sacred:
>
> [8.12] When your Lord revealed
> to the angels: I am with you,
> therefore make firm those who
> believe.
>
> I will cast terror into
> the hearts of those who disbelieve.
> Therefore strike off their
> heads and strike off every fingertip
> of them.
>
> Meaning, pure and simple, and without
> any apologies: Terrorize non-muslims
> to your heart's delight. Make it as
> gruesome as you care to make it. And
> throughout the history of the Islamic
> conquest... it has been spectacularly
> gruesome, as uncounted millions of
> innocents have been butchered, not by
> a handful of renegade fundamentalists,
> but by the full power of the muslim
> states and potentates. And now you
> might be starting to get an inkling of
> the desperation with which the muslim-
> besieged Christian communities of the
> holy land begged for help from their
> European brethren before the coming of
> the historical first European crusades.
>
> Sahih Muslim
> Book 019, Number 4366:
> It has been narrated by 'Umar b.
> al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
> of Allah (may peace be upon him)
> say: I will expel the Jews and
> Christians from the Arabian Peninsula
> and will not leave any but Muslim.
>
> Who among you can really believe
> that a pious person can trust that
> what his "bible" says is true, and yet
> that he can somehow ignore the
> command (above)... without doubting
> his faith and commitment?! It is
> no coincidence that the terrorists
> involved in the September 11 massacre
> are all re****ted by their family and
> neighbors as being exceptionally
> pious and devoted believers, "quiet
> and honest" persons who spent their
> days in meditation at the local mosques
> (as not as criminals/ruffians). It's such
> a universal picture of them [cliche] that
> the FBI could have predicted which
> muslims would turn the deadliest terrorists
> just from seeing which of them proved
> the most pious and quiet and devoted,
> honest and full of Islamic humility and
> gentility.
>
> Sahih Muslim
> The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
> Book 001, Number 0033:
> It has been narrated on the authority
> of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
> Messenger of Allah said: I have
> been commanded to fight against people
> till they testify that there is no god
> but Allah, that Muhammad is the
> messenger of Allah, and they establish
> prayer, and pay Zakat and if they
> do it, their blood and property are
> guaranteed protection on mybehalf
> except when justified by law,
> and their affairs rest with Allah.
>
> The above verse from the Koran
> explicitly orders that muslims respect
> the lives and properties ONLY of
> muslims (those who "testify," or "Allah's
> Witnesses," so to speak). This implies
> one truly monstrous suggestion...
> that the lives and properties of non-
> muslims are forfeit de facto. And
> throughout history muslim conquerors
> and criminals have reaped untold
> treasures from non-muslims, no less
> than millions and millions of innocent
> lives whose sole "crime" was that they
> lived within reach of muslims and
> owned properties worth stealing even
> at the cost of all their lives.
>
> [9.29] Fight those who do not
> believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
> nor do they prohibit what Allah
> and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
> follow the religion of truth, out of
> those who have been given the Book,
> until they pay the tax in acknowledgment
> of superiority and they are in
> a state of subjection.
>
> The Koran does not say, "Jews and
> Christians are your equal, so respect
> and honor them as equal." Instead it
> explicitly says (above) that they (the
> Jews and the Christians) are to be
> forced to acknowledge the superiority
> of Islam and that they (Jews and
> Christians) are in a state of subjection.
> Need anyone say anything more on
> why it is that the Saudis and others will
> only permit near them non-muslims
> who are willing to give their lives to
> save theirs? Need anyone explain why
> Israel will NEVER have borders which
> are secured by international or local treaties?
>
> [9.123] O you who believe! fight
> those of the unbelievers who are near
> to you and let them find in you
> hardness; and know that Allah is with
> those who guard (against evil).
>
> It is a religious duty for all pious
> muslims to fight their non-muslim
> neighbors. And it is only the secular
> Islamic tyrants who have suppressed
> this religious duty, in Turkey, Egypt,
> Pakistan, and the rest of them (all
> the dear friends and allies of George
> Bush and company). But how long do
> you imagine dictators of any sort last?
> Do you really believe that the
> "aspirations" of native populations can
> be denied for ever? Well, that's
> what the West has staked its future on!
>
> [4.74] Therefore let those fight in
> the way of Allah, who sell this
> world's life for the hereafter; and
> whoever fights in the way of Allah,
> then be he slain or be he victorious,
> We shall grant him a mighty reward.
>
> What general would not wish to command
> men pious enough to believe what
> their "bible" tells them (above)... that
> if they die in the battle (and what muslim
> general fights a battle which isn't "in the
> way of Allah?!") they shall be rewarded
> in the afterlife for their count of enemy
> corpses?!
>
> From the Sunnah of the Prophet
> (the "other leg" of the Koran):
> [9:5] But when the forbidden
> months are past, then fight
> and slay the Pagans wherever
> ye find them, and seize them,
> beleaguer them, and lie in wait
> for them in every stratagem
>
> Since time immemorial muslims have
> been urged by verses like the one
> above into merciless acts of terror
> against non-muslims. And frankly
> today's Islamic acts of terror pale in
> comparison with historical ones
> in which literally MILLIONS of non-
> muslims were slaughtered wholesale
> and their lands and properties looted
> as the reward for their murderers.
> Even the bloody Twentieth Century
> began with the muslim genocide of
> the Armenian christians at the hands
> of the muslim Turks.
>
> Want to know more? SEE:
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
>
> I know there are those of you out there
> who will scoff, asserting that nobody "here"
> takes the Bible seriously now. That's true.
> Nobody NOW, in today's Western secular
> humanistic world takes the Bible seriously
> (outside a few pathetic christian evangelicals
> and fundamentalists), but back in the
> European Dark Ages... who did not take
> the Bible to be absolutely and literally the
> sacred word and holy commands of God?
> Well, the point IS that the Islamic world
> is NOT a secular humanistic one but one
> which is STILL as deeply mired in its own
> Dark Ages just as the West was centuries ago.
> It was nothing back then for Europeans
> to burn innocent lonely old ladies as
> witches, and it's nothing today for even
> the most "respectable" and "decent and
> honest" and "most admired (by the West)"
> muslims to stone people to death, to cut off
> the hands of bicycle thieves, and to carry
> out every other sort of unimaginably
> unspeakable barbarities as the "brightest
> light of Islamic civilization" muslims can
> cite. The fact that the Egyptian and
> Turkish dictators do not do this is "proof"
> in the eyes of their more pious native
> populations that they are corrupt puppets
> of the infidel West.
>
> It is not some secular stubborn gang
> of diehards that simply refuse
> to accept peace with Israel... it is
> the explicit demands written in
> the Koran which demand the removal
> of non-muslims from the Hebrews's
> promised land, as well as explicitly
> calling for terrorism against
> non-muslims: THAT is never going
> to be "fixed" by ignoring that such
> facts are real! These "sacred" demands
> are part of the muslim believers'
> core of religious duty, and they shall
> remain there as they have remained
> to this day. And what does it matter
> if a few op****tunists and criminals
> like the dictators who have seized power
> in so many Islamic countries have the
> ability to keep their states from obeying
> the dictums of the Koran? Eventually
> they will be overthrown by pious
> muslims who, like Khomenei in Iran
> who will immediately order their states
> into massive religious wars... as they
> are explicitly commanded to do
> in the Koran (which see) be they cold
> or hot wars. And the West is
> being foolish to the core in arming
> the armies of these secular tyrants
>
> [In Iraq today George W. Bush is actually
> arming the very army Americans will eventually
> have to fight! Yes: The Iraqi Army is already
> in the hands of ****'ite militia people who have
> expressedly sworn that they are ready to join
> the Iranian Army in its war against America. What
> George Bush is still doing in Iraq I don't know!]
>
> (in the vain hope perhaps that they
> can prevent their own native Islamic
> populations from establi****ng Islamic
> republics maybe?)... ultimately only
> to see such Islamic republics use
> those very same West-supplied weapons
> turned against them, or simply against
> innocent populations whose sole
> "crime" is that they happen to be the
> muslims' closest neighbors.
>
> That, the West's self-defeating attitude
> in dealing with muslim states
> and muslim populations, no less than
> their chevalier attitude with regard
> to its (the West's) dependence on
> Gulf petroleum... has mitigated the
> muslim world's inability to compete
> in the modern world. For the muslim
> world can never escape its Dark Ages
> on its own: Modernity is the direct
> result of the free flow of information,
> and Islam depends for its survival
> on maintaining muslim populations
> ignorant of just how bad they have it.
> This absolute incompatibility between
> modernity and Islam will (the minute
> the oil runs out) throw the Arabs back
> into the REAL dark ages again (it
> shall be, for muslims, like waking from
> a glimpse of Paradise, and finding
> themselves once again in Hell): And
> the only thing the West really has
> anything to worry about is the possibility
> that nuclear technology has not
> been sold to muslims with dark ages
> mentalities and frames of mind. Ooops,
> too late: Pakistan, remember? And,
> perhaps Iran as well... who knows?
> [I personally believe that it is Pakistan
> which will eventually prove the deadliest
> nightmare the West will face...]
>
> > The picture of the Muslim soldier
> > advancing with a sword in onehand
> > and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.
>
> I tend to believe the testimony
> of millions of the victims
> of Islamic conquest and genocide.
> I tend to believe the Koran
> when it itself says:
>
> 1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy
> Lord inspired the angels (with the
> message): "I am with you: give
> firmness to the believers, I will
> instill terror into the hearts of
> the unbelievers, Smite ye above
> their necks and smite all their
> finger tips of them."
>
> In the above verse the "great"
> prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving
> step by step instructions on how
> to torture and kill the unbelievers
> if they don't follow Islam. He is
> clearly instructing Muslims to
> commit cold-blooded murder
> in the name of religion.
>
> 2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is
> ordained for you, though it is hateful
> unto you; but it may happen that
> you hate a thing which is good
> for you and it may happen that
> you love a thing which is bad for
> you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."
>
> The above verse was stated by
> Mohammed after his first terrorist
> attack. He and his followers
> mercilessly massacred four innocent
> and unarmed merchants at ****hla
> in 623 AD. The massacre came in
> January, the sacred month of Rejeb.
> Arabs regard this month as a
> sacred month, when warfare and
> violence is forbidden. Since this
> barbaric criminal act was led and
> sanctioned by the "great" prophet
> Mohammed, we can conclude that
> Islam's sacred activities include the
> looting and cold-blooded murder of
> innocent individuals. The very
> beginnings of Islam are stained
> with the blood of innocents.
>
> By stating the above verse, Mohammed
> completely absolved himself from
> all blame for having murdered
> innocents. The most insidious
> and devilish implication of this
> verse is that God is completely
> justifying Mohammed's murder of
> the innocent Meccans. The im****t
> of this verse is that killing and
> violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims,
> because they are doing it by divine
> ordinance! It is a religious
> duty of every Muslim to murder
> anyone who comes in the way of
> Islam. Since it is also the duty of
> every Muslim to ensure that
> the entire world is converted to
> Islam by force if necessary, one
> must directly conclude that it is
> the religious duty of Muslims to
> kill all those who are non-Muslim.
> This conclusion is derived
> directly from the supreme edict of
> Allah, who admonishes that even
> the Muslim who feels it is wrong
> to kill, must murder in the name
> of Allah, otherwise one is not a true
> Muslim. Over and above this,
> Mohammed is hypocritically implying
> that warfare is hateful to him,
> but he participated in it because
> God ordained it.
>
> 3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for
> any Prophet to have captives
> until he hath made slaughter in
> the land. You desire the lure of this
> world and Allah desires for you
> the hereafter and Allah is Mighty,
> Wise.. Now enjoy what you have
> won as lawful and good and keep your
> duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving,
> merciful."
>
> This verse is in reference to the
> prisoners that Mohammed held for
> ransom after the battle of Badr.
> This battle occurred on March 17,
> 623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan
> --another sacred month for the
> Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed
> and his followers killed at
> least 70 innocent merchants from
> the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and
> slaughtered several hundred soldiers
> who came forward to defend them.
>
> Here God the "Merciful" is saying
> that all the non-believers deserve
> to be killed! In addition, God is
> conveniently commenting that whatever
> loot Mohammed has plundered is
> "lawful and good" because it was done
> in service to God. So murder, rape,
> plunder and destruction are all made
> perfectly legal with the Muslim God
> as long as they are done in the name of
> Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously
> making himself seem very kind for
> having [uncharacteristically] spared the
> lives of the prisoners, when in fact he
> only let them live so he could ransom
> their lives for more money. In today's
> world this is called "taking hostages" and
> defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind.
>
> 4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said)
> Take him and fetter him and
> expose him to hell fire. And then
> insert him in a chain whereof
> the length is seventy cubits. Lo!
> he used not to believe in God
> the tremendous, and urged not
> on the feeding of the wretched.
> Therefore hath he no lover hear
> this day nor any food save filth
> which none but sinners eat."
>
> The above verses from the Koran
> prove that Muslims are specifically
> instructed not to tolerate unbelievers.
> It directly states that people who
> do not believe in Mohammed and
> the Islamic God are to be tortured
> and murdered.. Not only does this
> verse clearly indicate that unbelievers
> must be tortured and killed, it goes on
> further to state prescribed methods for
> committing torture. The horrific acts
> mentioned above are in practice
> even today in Islamic countries. In
> fact, in India, Muslims tortured
> the Sikh Gurus and their families
> exactly as prescribed by the Koran.
> For example, the Sikh guru Tegh
> Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage
> like a wild animal, when he refused
> to forsake his religion for Islam.
> Three of his disciples were
> murdered in front of his eyes. One
> of them was Bhai Mati Das. He
> was sawed alive into little pieces
> (anyone who follows the exploits of
> al-Qaida today should be familiar
> with this practice). The other was
> wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive.
> Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled
> alive in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur
> himself was brutally tortured and
> killed in a similar fa****on. One
> wonders at the mercy of "The all
> beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching
> the roasted burnt flesh of hapless
> innocents falling off their bones.
>
> 5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only
> reward of those who make war
> upon Allah and His messenger
> and strive after corruption in
> the land will be that they will be
> killed or crucified, or
> have their hands and feet and
> alternate sides cut off, or
> will be expelled out of the land.
> Such will be their degradation
> in the world, and in the Hereafter
> theirs will be an awful doom;
> Save those who repent before ye
> overpower them. For know that
> Allah is forgiving, merciful."
>
> 6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These
> twain (the believers and the
> disbelievers) are two opponents
> who contend concerning their
> Lord. But as for those who
> disbelieve, garments of fire will be
> cut out for them, boiling fluid
> will be poured down their heads.
> Whereby that which is in their
> bellies, and their skins too,
> will be melted; And for them
> are hooked rods of iron. Whenever,
> in their anguish, they would go
> forth from thence they are driven
> back therein and (it is said unto
> them): Taste the doom of burning."
>
> 7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have
> prepared for disbelievers chains,
> yokes and a blazing fire."
>
> The above verses clearly state
> extreme terrorist activities, as
> they contain nothing but detailed
> recipes of horrific torture.
> Cutting off the hands and feet of
> individuals and then making
> them walk and jump, pouring
> boiling waters over their victims,
> making them drink it, burning them
> alive, inserting hot iron rods into
> their bodies, dismemberment
> and disembowelment, genital
> mutilation etc. are common Islamic
> practices.
>
> Koran 17:16-17 When we decide
> to destroy a population, we send
> a definite order to them who have
> the good things in life and
> yet transgress; so that Allah's word
> is proved true against them:
> then we destroy them utterly. How
> many generations have we
> destroyed after Noah? And enough
> is thy Lord to note and see
> the Sins of his servants
>
> Here Allah, the God of the Muslims
> is clearly stating the exact method
> that he adopts when he commits
> genocide of an entire POPULATION.
> And why does Allah decide to destroy
> entire populations? Simply because
> they don't believe in Allah and so
> Allah will kill them all, to take
> revenge. Next Allah is indulging in
> an unbelievable display of conceit.
> He is actually BOASTING about how
> many generations he has destroyed
> after Noah. If Allah had a list of his
> merits, no doubt genocide of
> numerous generations of people
> would top his list. Allah enjoys
> watching the annhilation of thousands
> of Non-Muslims at the hands of
> his pious followers, the Muslims.
>
> Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may
> seperate the impure from the pure,
> Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim),
> one on top of the another in
> a Heap and cast them into Hell. They
> will be the ones to have lost
>
> The "All-Merciful Allah" is now
> specifically instructing all "peace-
> loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain
> of corpses of the non believers.
> Of course, in order to do this holy
> task for Allah, the Muslim must
> first go out and attack innocent Non-
> Muslims and massacre them so
> that Allah's wishes are fulfilled. Allah
> seems to have an inexhaustible
> thirst for the blood of innocents. Note
> that the reason given to massacre
> non-believers is that "Allah may
> seperate the Impure from the Pure."
> It has nothing to do with self-defense
> or protection as Muslims like to argue.
> The explicit purpose for this heinous
> crime is so that Allah can easily
> differentiate between the Muslims and
> Non-Muslims. This way it becomes
> a lot easier for Allah and his "angelic"
> helpers to dump the heaps of
> murdered Non-Muslims into Hellfire.
>
> Koran 21:11 How many were the
> populations we utterly destroyed because
> of their inequities, setting up in
> their place other peoples
>
> Again Allah is boasting about his
> amazing exploits such as genocide
> and displacement of innocent people.
> The justification for this crime
> is that these innocent people had
> "inequities". Apparently any
> community which is not Muslim is
> full of inequities by Islamic
> definition and therefore fair game
> for all pious Muslims to massacre
> and plunder.
>
> Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims)
> hearts is a disease; and Allah
> has increased their disease and
> grievous is the penalty they will
> incur, because they are false.
>
> So Allah not only exhorts Muslims
> to kill all the non-believers, he
> also strikes down the surviving
> ones with disease and pain. Any good
> Muslim must surely carry out their
> beloved Allah's word. In fact
> Allah's word seems to be very much
> in effect in today's world. This
> is why one sees pious, Allah-loving
> Muslims like Saddam Hussein nursing
> factories that make weapons of
> biological and chemical warfare. Saddam
> is complying perfectly with Allah's
> wishes to the letter when he
> manufactures strains of deadly
> viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting
> non-believers like the Israelis and
> Americans. He has secured a place
> in Islamic "Jannat" (Paradise) for
> himself by following Allah's orders
> so religiously.
>
> Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah
> and His Messenger will be crumbled
> to dust, as were those before them:
> for we have already sent down
> Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will
> have a humiliating Penalty
>
> Those who resist Allah and His
> "Messenger" obviously refers to anyone
> who is not a Muslim. Therefore
> every Non-Muslim must be crushed to
> death by the holy edict of Allah.
> No doubt it was this very verse which
> must have served as a motivation
> for those pious Muslims who bombed
> the World Trade Center. Allah must
> have been extremely pleased to watch
> all those innocent Non-Muslims
> being crumbled/cushed to death.
>
> Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of
> Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful.
> Like molten brass it will boil in their
> insides, Like the boiling of
> scalding water Seize Ye Him and
> drag him into the midst of the blazing
> Fire Then pour over his head the
> penalty of Boiling Water
>
> Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith
> (Islam) and belie our signs, They
> shall be Companions of the Fire
> and abide in it.
>
> Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah
> is on those without faith (in Islam)
> Thus have they drawn wrath upon
> wrath on themselves and humiliating
> is the punishment of those who
> reject faith (Islam)
>
> Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those
> who oppose Allah and his messenger
> is: Execution or Crucifixion or
> the cutting off of hands and feet
> from opposite sides or exile from the land
>
> Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat
> will be produced out of the wealth in
> the Fire of Hell, and with it will be
> branded their foreheads, their
> sides and their backs- "This is
> the treasure that ye buried for
> yourselves, taste ye then the
> treasures that ye buried."
>
> If you do happen to pick up that
> copy of the Koran as I mentioned,
> don't expect your fate to improve,
> unless you become a Muslim. Allah
> doesn't want Non-believers to
> understand the Koran. This is quite
> understandable on Allah's part,
> because any self-respecting human
> being who reads the Koran will
> be revolted at the violence and
> sadism espoused in it. Is it any
> wonder that Muslims don't want
> Non-Muslims to read or discuss
> any part of the Koran? They are
> afraid, that anyone who reads it
> will soon realise the true nature
> of Islam, which is genocide
> sanctioned by religion. Here
> Allah explains that Non-Muslims
> will never be "allowed" to understand
> the Koran:
>
> Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings
> over their hearts and minds, lest
> they should understand the Koran,
> and we put deafness in their ears;
> when you commemorate your Lord
> (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran
>
> [Mohammed expects Muslims to read
> from the Koran and that some non-muslims
> may over-hear the Muslim "prayers" but
> he tells his soldiers not to worry about it]
>
> If a Non-Muslim cannot understand
> the Koran, how is he/she expected
> to convert to Islam on their own
> accord? This is obviously an admission
> on Allah's part that people can be
> converted to Islam only by violent
> force, because he has ensured that
> they cannot understand it via reading
> the Koran. For any Non-Muslim to
> understand the Koran would be absolutely
> counterproductive to Islam. Muslims
> have hidden the truth from Non-Muslims
> for ages. It is a fact that the available
> English translations of the Koran do not
> contain many of the original Arabic Verses.
> Many particular verses were edited and
> changed by Muslims, because they were just
> "too violent" and explicitly revealed
> the brutal and barbaric nature of Islam.
>
> The Koran is a psychological manual
> that incites hatred and violence in
> the reader. It was specifically designed
> for this very purpose, so that the Prophet
> Mohammed could carry on his tradition
> of Genocide and Terrorism, long after his
> death. The entire recorded history of Muslims
> is a testament to this fact.
>
> Note: The Meaning of the Holy Quran
> by Abdullah Yusuf Ali has been
> used to compose this article. From:
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
>
> END QUOTE
>
> > You are stupid!
>
> Yes, I am that. And embarrassingly asocial too.
> And impatient with all my fellow stupid monkeys.
> And always eager to enlighten them. Therefore,
> let me assure you:
>
> Evil has never gone away on its own. Unconfronted,
> Islam will continue to spew terrorism and genocide
> into a world unwilling and/or unable to face up to
> Islam's insidious and unrepentant evil. Civilization
> is whistling past [its] grave when it pretends that
> Islam is a religion like the other (real) religions.
>
> But think: The thing about religious fanatics is that
> THEY NEVER GO AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS TEXTS.
>
> All anybody has to do is but read THOSE TEXTS
> and he/she will know what Hamas and Iran are planning
> to do... step by step by step by step: They CAN NOT
> subvert in the slightest the plan laid down in/as their
> religious texts: Learn the texts and you have learned
> their plan. And then you will be invulnerable to the
> lies THE TEXT commands Muslims to tell non-Muslims
> and the stratagems they are allowed and not allowed
> to follow in their compliance with their plans' deadly
> demands. And, before it's tooo late.
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mu=
sic.sdrodrian.com
>
> Other quotes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings
> > of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932.
>
> > It is impossible for anyone who
> > studies the life and character of the
> > great Prophet of Arabia, who knew
> > how he taught and how he lived, to
> > feel anything but reverence for
> > that mighty Prophet, one of the great
> > messengers of the Supreme. And
> > although in what I put to you I shall
> > say many things which may be
> > familiar to many, yet I myself feel,
> > whenever I reread them, a new
> > way of admiration, a new sense of
> > reverence for that mighty Arabian
> > teacher.
>
> I wonder what Anne would have
> said of these works by the "great
> Prophet of Arabia" ....
>
> 1. Lets start with the "great" Mohammed
> himself, the founder of this
> "fabulous" faith. Mohammed was married
> to Khadija Bibi, his employer
> and 15 years his senior. At that time
> Mohammed was 25 years old. He
> was Khadija Bibi's third husband.
> Khadija Bibi was a widow when she
> married Mohammed. For the first time
> in his life, Mohammed enjoyed
> a luxurious life.
>
> This shows the parasitic nature of
> Mohammed who married his employer
> so that he can live a rich life without
> putting in a single day's work.
>
> 2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed
> was 49 years old. Between the ages
> of 49 and 63 the "great prophet"
> married at least 11 times.
>
> This shows how he treated the
> institution of marriage. For him, women
> were nothing but objects for ***ual
> fulfillment. Marrying at least
> 11 women in 14 years throws light
> on his insatiable ***ual appetite.
> Read on about the "greatness" of
> this prophet.
>
> 3. Mohammed's favourite wife was
> Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when
> she was married to him.
>
> Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows
> that Mohammed was not only
> a womanizer but also a child molester.
>
> 4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was
> married to Zainab, daughter of
> Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld
> in a loose undress, the beauty
> of Zainab, and burst forth into an
> ejaculation of devotion and desire.
> The servile, or greatful, freeman
> (Zayed) understood the hint and
> yielded without hesitation to the
> love of the benefactor."
>
> Mohammed was not satisfied with
> his own overflowing harem and had to
> marry his son's wife. His son being
> a devoted follower of the "great"
> prophet was more than happy to
> divorce his wife. What a great father-
> in-law Mohammed was, a model
> for all Islamic father-in-laws!
>
> Mohammed preached what he
> practised. This is sup****ted by the
> following verses from Quran and Hadiths.
>
> Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women
>
> II/223: Your women are a tilth
> for you (to cultivate). So go to
> your tilth as ye will...
>
> IV/34: Men are in charge of women,
> because Allah hath made the one
> of them to excel the other.. As for
> those from whom ye fear rebellion,
> admonish them and banish them
> to beds apart, and scourge them.
>
> IV/15: (For women) If any one of
> your women is guilty of lewdness
> ...confine them until death claims them.
>
> IV/16: (For Men) If two men among
> you commit indecency (sodomy) punish
> them both. If they repent and mend
> their ways, let them be. Allah
> is forgiving and merciful.
>
> As you can see, for women any sort
> of ***ual exploration is punishable
> by death. Whereas for a man, any
> form of perversion is pardoned by
> the all merciful Allah.
>
> XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse
> their wives but have no witnesses
> except themselves , let the testimony
> of one of them be four testimonies
> ...
>
> from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS
>
> If a woman's conduct is mischievous
> or immodest, the husband has the right
> to beat her up but must not break
> her bones. She must not allow anybody
> to enter the house if her husband
> does not like him. She has the right
> to expect sustenance of her husband.
> (TR. P 439)
>
> It is forbidden for a woman to be
> seen by any man except her husband
> when she is made up or well-dressed.
> (TR. P 430)
>
> Majority of women would go to hell.
> (Muslim P 1431)
>
> > --------------------------------------------
> > K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed:
> > The Prophet of Islam,' 1989
>
> > My problem to write this monograph
> > is easier, because we are not
> > generally fed now on that (distorted)
> > kind of history and much time
> > need not be spent on pointing out
> > our misrepresentations of Islam. The
> > theory of Islam and sword, for
> > instance, is not heard now in any
> > quarter worth the name. The
> > principle of Islam that there is no
> > compulsion in religion is well known.
>
> Rao must have lived in some other
> dimension (I would
> probably propose the Bizarro dimension.)
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > James Michener in Islam:
> > The Misunderstood Religion
> > Reader's Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.
>
> > "No other religion in history spread
> > so rapidly as Islam. The West has
> > widely believed that this surge of
> > religion was made possible by the
> > sword. But no modern scholar
> > accepts this idea, and the Quran
> > is explicit in the sup****t of the
> > freedom of conscience."
>
> Probably the millions of Indians who
> once were Hindus and were
> butchered all committed suicide
> and blamed it on the muslims.
> The Armenians who were butched
> by the muslim Turks were probably
> suicides as well (I believe that's
> what the Turks say to this day).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Muhammad, the inspired man
> > who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570
> > into an Arabian tribe that wor****ped idols.
> > Orphaned at birth, he was
> > always particularly solicitous of the
> > poor and needy, the widow and
> > the orphan, the slave and the
> > downtrodden. At twenty he was already a
> > successful businessman, and soon
> > became director of camel caravans for
> > a wealthy widow. When he reached
> > twenty-five his employer recognizing
> > his merit, proposed marriage. Even
> > though she was fifteen years older,
> > he married her and as long as she
> > lived remained a devoted husband."
>
> Listen to this astoni****ng spin and
> then read the ****d facts of
> Muhammad's life! I mean, these people
> have no shame what so ever!
>
> Continuing to quote this disgusting lies
> is beyond my patience.
> Rather, simply read for yourself the words
> of the Koran and judge:
>
> Mohammed knew that *** would sell
> very well among the group of his
> lecherous followers who were motivated
> to fight battles by the
> promise of *** slaves and booty. By
> constantly emphasizing to his
> followers that they would get untouched
> virgins in Paradise, Mohammed
> is clearly expressing his "high"
> opinion of the institution of marriage
> and his fairness to women. Once
> the followers go to heaven, they can
> conveniently ditch their wives for
> the fresher and more pleasurable
> ***ual encounters with 'Houris'
> (beautiful virgins). Not only that,
> the poor wives who gave up their
> virginity for the pleasure of their
> husbands do not get even one Male
> *** Bomb. But wait, Allah is all
> merciful! He gives the wives the rare
> honour of watching their husbands
> deflower those 72 Houris (virgins)
> and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
>
> The relevant verses from the Koran are:
>
> Koran 78:31 As for the righteous,
> they shall surely triumph. Theirs
> shall be gardens and vineyards, and
> high-bosomed virgins for
> companions: a truly overflowing cup.
>
> Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with
> bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as
> chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
>
> Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed
> them to dark-eyed houris.
> (beautiful virgins)
>
> Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline
> on couches ranged in rows. To
> dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...
>
> Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful
> virgins neither man nor Jinn
> will have touched before.Then which of
> the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
>
> In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes
> one step further and expands the
> promise of virgins to include a free
> *** market where there is no
> limit of the number of ***ual partners.
> Women and young boys are on
> display as if in a fruit market where
> you can choose the desired ripeness.
>
> Quote from Hadiths
> Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
> Ali re****ted that the Apostle of
> Allah said, "There is in Paradise
> a market wherein there will be
> no buying or selling, but will consist
> of men and women. When a man
> desires a beauty, he will have
> intercourse with them."
>
> YOUNG BOYS Homo***uality was
> and is widely practised in Islamic
> conutries. To please the homo***uals
> among his followers he promised
> them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise.
> So after committing plunder, loot,
> rape and murder in this life, the
> followers of Islam get "rewarded"
> by untouched virginal youths
> who are fresh like pearls.
>
> The relevant verses from the Koran are:
>
> Koran 52:24 Round about them will
> serve, to them, boys (handsome)
> as pearls well-guarded.
>
> Koran 56:17 Round about them will
> serve boys of perpetual freshness.
>
> Koran 76:19 And round about them
> will serve boys of perpetual
> freshness: if thou seest them, thou
> wouldst think them scattered pearls.
>
> WINE Mohammed had to find more
> selling points besides virgins, young
> boys and plenty of water. What
> good would be of Paradise without
> rivers of wine for his followers?
> Wine was an extremely precious
> commodity in the dry deserts of
> Arabia where it was rare to find
> vineyards. Mohammed had a problem
> here- he had to include wine in
> his 'Paradise-Package' but how could
> he include it in the list when
> Allah had declared intoxicants as
> sinful. The only way to do this
> was to somehow claim that the wine
> in the promised Paradise was not
> intoxicating and therefore not sinful.
> Never mind the fact that wine
> by nature contains alcohol which is
> intoxicating.
>
> The relevant verses from the Koran are:
>
> Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the
> Garden which the righteous are
> promised. In it are...rivers of wine...
>
> Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants
> of God shall be well provided for,
> ...they shall be served with goblet
> filled at a gu****ng fountain, white
> and delicious to those who drink it.
> It will neither dull their senses
> nor befuddle them.
>
> Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on
> jewelled couches face to face, and
> there shalt wait on them immortal youths
> with bowls and ewers and a
> cup of purest wine:
>
> Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will
> surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon
> soft couches they will gaze around
> them: and in their faces you shall
> mark the glow of joy. They shall be
> given a pure wine to drink,
> securely sealed, whose very dregs
> are musk...
>
> *********************
>
> From The New York Times' THE
> JIHAD FILES published March 18, 2002
>
> ... One document (from al-Qaida
> training manuals discovered in
> Afghanistan) began with an explanation
> of the instructor's goals:
>
> "God Almighty has ordered us to
> terrorize his enemies," it reads. "In
> compliance with God's order
> and his Prophet's order, in an
> attempt to get out of
> the humiliation in which we
> have found ourselves, we
> shall propose to those who
> are keen on justice,
> fighting against those who
> oppose them and those who
> diminish them until they receive
> fresh orders from
> God. To those alone, we present:
> `Rudimentary Methods
> in the Manufacturing of
> Explosive Materials Effective
> for Demolition Purposes.' "
>
> This is quite true, and
> NOT a "lie" by Islamic
> fundamentalists, since the
> Koran does specifically say
> as much. And which, if you
> were smart, you'd
> READ FOR YOURSELF.
>
> There is no need to go to any mosque. The Koran is
> available everywhere/all over the Internet now:
>
>
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=3DHolKora.sgm&image...=
>
> But I advise you to take a closer look at Islam
> for yourself, using your own mind... impartially,
> as I did. (I too was once content to believe the
> crap Muslims AND their Western stooges like
> to feed the world.)
>
> The tools to do this are also everywhere available
> on the internet:
>
> http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm
>
> http://answering-islam.org/index.html
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.afghanistan/msg/ee344ffc53...
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/1138bfa1c4479b79?&h...
>
from:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffe=
....
>
> http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=3DArmenian_Genocide
>
> http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/india_contribution/maths.html
>
> Perhaps the knowledge will make you a good Christian.
> And if you're now a Muslim: Hope no one murders you
> simply because you are curious about THE TRUTH (and
> I really mean that). Good look, [sic]
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mu=
sic.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> ***************************************
>
> On Mar 27, 11:37 am, "landyman_alby"
>
> <landyman_a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> SDR wrote:
> >> http://islamisbad.com
> >> " every Non-Muslim must be crushed
> >> to death by the holy edict
> >> of Allah."
> >> In the cities of the nations the
> >> LORD your God is giving you as
> >> an inheritance, do not leave alive
> >> anything that breathes.
> >> (Deut. 20:16)
> >> What book does this "holy edict" come from?
>
> Hello! It comes from a book no longer taken
> seriously (self-evidently, since there are
> many Christians and Muslins "breathing"
> in the lands the LORD gave the Jews
> as their inheritance).
>
> On the other hand, non-Muslims are not
> faring as well on the lands conquered by
> the Muslims' sword (there is but ONE Jew
> left in Afghanistan, and most of the Jews
> once "barely breathing" among the Arabs
> are now living in Israel--thank you--You
> know: that part of The Lord's Inheritance
> for the Jewish people which said Jewish
> People have managed to pry from the satanic
> Muslim squatters that moved in after the
> Romans killed the rightful inheritors of God).
>
> Madam (or weird sir), your implied contention
> that the fact that somebody else has done evil
> in the world justifies/exculpates the evil that
> you do is merely a reflection of your very great
> wickedness and utter lack of principles.
>
> In other words: Madam, thou art a reprobate!
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mu=
sic.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> *************************************
>
> from REUTERS March 30, 2007 ...
>
> UN Rights Body Condemns "Defamation" of Religion
>
> GENEVA (Reuters) - The United Nations top
> human rights body condemned "defamation''
> of religion on Friday and, in an apparent
> reference to the storm over the Prophet cartoons,
> said press freedom had its limits.
>
> With the sup****t of China, Russia and Cuba,
> Moslem and Arab states comfortably won
> a vote on the 47-state Human Rights Council
> to express concern at "negative stereotyping''
> of religions and "attempts to identify Islam
> with terrorism.''
>
> "The resolution is tabled in the expectation
> that it will compel the international community
> to acknowledge and address the disturbing
> phenomena of the defamation of religions,
> especially Islam,'' said Pakistan, speaking on
> behalf of the Organization of the Islamic
> Conference.
>
> The resolution was opposed by Western
> states which said it focused too much on
> Islam. The job of the Council was to deal
> with the rights of individuals not religions,
> they said.
>
> "The European Union does not see the
> concept of defamation of religion as a valid
> one in a human rights discourse,'' a
> spokeswoman for the delegation of
> Germany, which holds the EU presidency,
> told the Council.
>
> The resolution urged countries to ensure
> their laws gave adequate protection against
> acts of "hatred, discrimination, intimidation
> and coercion resulting from defamation of
> religions.''
>
> While everybody had the right to freedom
> of expression, this should be exercised
> according to limitations of the law and
> respect for others, including respect for
> religions and beliefs, it said.
>
> In 2006, violent protests rocked cities
> from Morocco to Malaysia over Danish
> cartoons of Islam's Prophet Mohammad
> published in September 2005, which
> Muslims regarded as sacrilegious and
> an attack on their beliefs.
>
> The vote was 24 countries in favor of the
> resolution, 14 against and with 9 abstentions.
>
> ******************************************
>
> GO TOhttp://islamisbad.combefore
it's too late.
>
> There you will find all you need to know about
> the Evil that is Islam, both historically and in
> the modern world. And you won't have to wrack
> your brain over why GOD should command war,
> death, torture, and rape, genocide, and terror
> against human beings (as Mohammed said He did).
>
> Muslims are today engaged in a great battle
> throughout the West (to try to extinguish
> freedom of expression/freedom of the press)
> specifically designed to keep YOU from having
> access to the relevant deadly facts about Islam.
> Some skirmishes they have lost, but some other
> skirmishes they have definitely won (as shown in
> the --March 30, 2007-- Reuters re****t above).
>
> But make no mistake about this: their aim is above
> all to stifle YOUR right to hold an open debate on
> the merits/demerits of Islam because they KNOW
> they can not win such a debate. The bastards will
> claim an article like this one as "an example of the
> defamation of Islam" TO WESTERNERS ... but they
> will NEVER print this article in any Muslim country's
> newspaper to show their own peoples an example of
> such a "defamation" because an article like this one
> would inform ordinary Muslims on the true nature
> of Islam (if it were lies they would be only too eager
> to print it everywhere). And Muslim populations are
> all kept horrifically ill informed on the true historical
> and moral vileness that is Islam: Evil depends on lies.
> And they all know that Islam can not survive the light
> of TRUTH being turned on it--from ANY direction.
>
> It shall be most interesting to see whether human
> civilization survives or is eventually subsumed and
> destroyed as thoroughly as all those once great
> and mighty civilizations which once thrived (where
> now only the devastation in which most Muslims
> live exists). Compare the wealthy Taiwanese with
> the many & many beggar peoples of Islamic countries.
>
> I suspect it shall come down to whether we insist
> that the truth is infinitely more im****tant than any
> hurt feelings, or we permit lies to go unchallenged
> just to spare the liars.
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mu=
sic.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> ************************************
>
> On Mar 19, 11:06 am, Viejo Vizcacha
>
>
>
> >> The Islamic troops that intervened in Spain
> >> did so at the invitation
> >> of German princes who were quarreling.
> >> During the"occupation" of Spain
> >> by Islamist, Spain became the light of Europe...
>
> I'm sorry .... which European Imperialist armies
> did you say "reconquered" Spain?!?! Because as
> HISTORY tells it, the "reconquista" was one of
> Spain by the Spanish. There must certainly have
> been any number of European volunteers and
> mercenaries who fought on the side of the Spanish
> Christians, but, is it that you know of any LAW
> by the Moors which forbade non-Spanish Muslims
> from Jihad on the other side?!?!?
>
> PLEASE DON'T JUST STUDY HISTORY FROM A
> FEW MORONIC HOLLYWOOD ROMANTIC FILMS!
> These films were, for the most part, written by
> hacks whose knowledge of the world ended two
> city blocks from where they grew up.
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://thesolutionisthis.comhttp://mp=
3.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> **************************************
>
> In "Mohammed Cartoons, Part II?"
> Lauren Keane wrote in the Wa****ngton Post:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Every Friday for the past few weeks, embassies
> > in Kabul have told foreign nationals to prepare
> > for a rerun of the 2005 Mohammed cartoon riots.
> > Back then, mobs attacked Western businesses
> > and embassies across the Islamic world to protest
> > images in a Danish newspaper that depicted the
> > Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
> > This time the potential affront is a film made by
> > right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders, in which
> > he denounces Islam's Koran as a "fascist" book
> > that "incites people to murder." Rumors put out
> > by the Wilders camp suggest he burns a copy of
> > the Koran in the film.
> > Both cartoon and film (due to be released next
> > month) are clearly crass and self-serving exercises
> > that pay lip service to the idea of freedom of speech
> > while being little more than vehicles for xenophobia.
>
> Question: Is denouncing NAZI literature as
> "fascist" and "inciting people to murder" ...
> "clearly crass and self-serving exercises that
> pay lip service to the idea of freedom of
> speech while being little more than vehicles
> for xenophobia?"
>
> Surely the Answer must be that such a
> denunciation is either true or false, and
> therefore worthy or worthless.
>
> Well, while Hitler could be held responsible for
> the murders of up to 65 million human beings,
> there are some places in India ALONE where
> up to 35 million souls were butchered under
> the sanctions of The Koran. The toll of the
> Islamic genocide is in the hundreds of millions
> of human beings and it is still ongoing with no
> end in sight (and that doesn't even begin to take
> into consideration the countless civilizations,
> including all the Christian ones which once
> thrived in and around the fertile crescent, that
> were utterly obliterated by Islam... leaving
> behind the monstrous ruin and despair you see
> today everywhere in the Muslim world there).
> Butchery and murder are the school agenda of
> most Islamic children and the teachings of hate
> never end across the lifetimes of Muslims the
> world over... with the possible exception only
> of those who have not been converted to Islam
> long enough to have yet lost the values of their
> previous "human" cultures (as in Thailand, in
> Malaysia, in Indonesia, etc.)
>
> VISIT THOU:http://islamisbad.com
>
> Is it possible to libel Mohammed? Could anything
> bad enough or objectionable enough ever be said
> of this incomprehensibly reprehensible creep which
> he himself did not surpass many, many, many
> times over with his own vile criminal behavior and
> unimaginable personal degradation... as recorded
> by his own proud Islamic biographers? VISIT THOU:
>
> http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html
>
> S D
Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp=
3s.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> **********************************
>
> In a Wa****ngtonpost.com article, "The Spell
> of Islamophobia" Eboo Patel wrote:
>
> > I spoke about how Muslim history and
> > theology sup****t religious pluralism.
>
> Yes? This may help explain why it is that
> Islamic cultures (all of which started out
> from pluralistic non-Islamic civilizations)
> are everywhere today a monolithic Islamic
> mind-control culture where even the mere |
