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The U.S. can never force other nations to fight for their own

by BL5511 <pb5511@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 19, 2008 at 08:07 AM

The U.S. should remember that it can never force other nations to
fight for their own  democracy and freedom. These nations must show
their willingness to fight for their own freedom to the last men
before getting American help. Otherwise, it is a waste of American
lives and money. After the U.S. left, the local leaders would abandon
the battlefields and  drop their guns, even when they had  a million
troops in their hands.
A few days ago, Iraqi troops again refused to fight against their own
people. They dropped their guns.
Forty four years ago, US government partnered with Thich Tri Quang,
Duong Van Minh and Nguyen Van Thieu to overthrow Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963
because it did not want to completely withdraw all U.S. advisors out
of Vietnam as declared.
Thirty  years ago, the partners that American hand picked for the coup
of 1963  staged a defeat and surrender of South Vietnam in 1975.
Thieu ordered the abandonment of MRI and MRII, abandoned 200 thousand
troops in Danang, then fled. Duong Van Minh and Thich Tri Quang then
plotted to hijack the South Vietnamese government to surrender by
telling VP Tran Van Huong and South Vietnamese generals that DRV had
secretely agreed to negotiate with them for a cease fire. Only one day
after they took over power, they refused to negotiate further and
ordered an unconditional surrender. The inside job by American pupets
even surprised NVA generals and international diplomats. Many
embassies such as Taiwanese and South Korean  could not evacuate their
employees fast enough.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1969.html

April 20, 1975 - U.S. Ambassador Graham Martin meets with President
Thieu and pressures him to resign given the gravity of the situation
and the unlikelihood that Thieu could ever negotiate with the
Communists.

April 21, 1975 - A bitter, tearful President Thieu resigns during a 90
minute rambling TV speech to the people of South Vietnam. Thieu reads
from the letter sent by Nixon in 1972 pledging "severe retaliatory
action" if South Vietnam was threatened. Thieu condemns the Paris
Peace Accords, Henry Kissinger and the U.S. "The United States has not
respected its promises. It is inhumane. It is untrustworthy. It is
irresponsible." He is then ushered into exile in Taiwan, aided by the
CIA.

April 22, 1975 - Xuan Loc falls to the NVA after a two week battle
with South Vietnam's 18th Army Division which inflicted over 5000 NVA
casualties and delayed the 'Ho Chi Minh Campaign' for two weeks.

April 23, 1975 - 100,000 NVA soldiers advance on Saigon which is now
overflowing with refugees. On this same day, President Ford gives a
speech at Tulane University stating the conflict in Vietnam is "a war
that is finished as far as America is concerned."

April 27, 1975 - Saigon is encircled. 30,000 South Vietnamese soldiers
are inside the city but are leaderless. NVA fire rockets into downtown
civilian areas as the city erupts into chaos and widespread looting.

April 28, 1975 - 'Neutralist' General Duong Van "Big" Minh becomes the
new president of South Vietnam and appeals for a cease-fire. His
appeal is ignored.

April 29, 1975 - NVA shell Tan Son Nhut air base in Saigon, killing
two U.S. Marines at the compound gate. Conditions then deteriorate as
South Vietnamese civilians loot the air base. President Ford now
orders Operation Frequent Wind, the helicopter evacuation of 7000
Americans and South Vietnamese from Saigon, which begins with the
radio broadcast of the song "White Christmas" as a pre-arraigned code
signal.

At Tan Son Nhut, frantic civilians begin swarming the helicopters. The
evacuation is then ****fted to the walled-in American embassy, which is
secured by U.S. Marines in full combat gear. But the scene there also
deteriorates, as thousands of civilians attempt to get into the
compound.

Three U.S. aircraft carriers stand by off the coast of Vietnam to
handle incoming Americans and South Vietnamese refugees. Many South
Vietnamese pilots also land on the carriers, flying American-made
helicopters which are then pushed overboard to make room for more
arrivals. Filmed footage of the $250,000 choppers being tossed into
the sea becomes an enduring image of the war's end.

April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from
the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in
Vietnam. North Vietnamese troops pour into Saigon and encounter little
resistance. By 11 a.m., the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the
presidential palace. President Minh broadcasts a message of
unconditional surrender. The war is over.



On Apr 19, 8:25 am, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
>
> > It make one wonder...why are these rightwing warmongering assholes so
slow to figure it out...
>
> Money and greed.... it's all about the money and the US Cor****ate
> Coup D'Etat of 2000.... nothing matters but the money.
>
>             "Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to
render the
>             head too large for the body. A standing military force with
an overgrown
>             executive will not long be safe."
>
>                             "Companions to liberty." -Thomas Jefferson
 




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