Re: The U.S. can never force other nations to fight for their own freedom, they had to do it by themselves Re: Anti-War Up - Pentagon institute calls Iraq war 'a major debacle'...

"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> :> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> :> :Saddam is irrelevant.... the CIA handled his rise

> :> Lie.

> :Which part ??

> Pretty much all of it.

> :> 'Persia' is *Iran*, not Iraq.

> :Excuse me ??   About like the USA is Texas.

> You're not excused.  Silly parallel irrelevant.

Percentage of land mass occupied to subject area is about equivalent
to your claim that Iran was ALL of Persia.  There was no silliness there
excepting your bogus claim.

> :Best find a nice OLD map, or merely have a go at something historical.
> :"Wiki" seems to believe that Mesopotamia is all there was to Persia.
> :Kings Darius and Xerxes would tell of a different history for the lands
> :of Persia.
> :
> :Basically, Persia was everything you call the Middle East today, plus
some.
> :
> :Persia originated in the area now know as Iran. Iran however, didn't
> :exist for some time to come.  Persia extened into western Russia,
> :Western and Central Asia, northern Africa, and what became known
> :as Turkey, Israel, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan,
> :Caucasia, (Saudi) Arabia, etc... although it's really not doing the
> :dynasty any justice to try and place it's holdings by using current
> :'state' names.

> You could just as easily claim the whole region was 'Turkey' based on
> the Ottoman centuries.  Peoples and cultures originate in places.  The
> fact that the British Empire at one point encompassed Canada and
> Australia doesn't make either Canada or Australia 'Britain'.

You're making my point FOR me again.  Persia was *not* just Iraq
as you claimed in error earlier.

Aside: both Canada and Australia have English as a language.  I'd
say that certifies the effect felt by the British Empire.


> :> :is also fairly irrelevant unless it spans a couple of
> :> :thousand years of *real* Persian history.... not just what your
> :> :government wants you to see in order to garner continued sup****t
> :> :for their phony war to steal the natural resources of Iraq.

> :> ANY evidence of such 'theft'?

> :Duhhh.....  care to open your eyes?

> Lack of evidence noted.

Blindness and voluntary ignorance noted.     ;-)

> :> Hell, we're not even making them pay
> :> for all the money we're spending trying to put their
> :> oil industry back on its feet.

> :So what the hell are you driving at ?  Would you like to make any
> :MORE of my points FOR me ??   Iran and Iraq both have a HUGE
> :budgetary surplus, while the US is rapidly going bankrupt in a last-
> :ditch effort by the cor****ate Coup D'Etat of 2000 to scrape some
> :more cash out of *your* pocketbook off of the OIL which is failing
> :to come from Iraq.

> Whatever you were ingesting, smoking, or shooting when you wrote the
> preceding is something you should probably be abstaining from.

Nice, fact-filled rebuttal.

Have a nice day Fred.










            "It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into
dictator****p,
            but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings."
                         -- Sandra Day O'Connor, March 9, 2006