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:Run along freddy, you are wrong again -- parts of Iraq certainly were
:within the Persian Empire.
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I never said they weren't. I said that Iraq is not Persia. Just like
Canada (which was within the British Empire) is not Britain.
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:Why do you right wigners fail at everything.
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Why do idiots invariably prove unable to read.
Oh, wait. You couldn't stay that stupid if you could actually read
and comprehend things. Never mind.
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:In <5qsr149j29irlni65qcf4qlnt9vrejt7ua@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, on 05/04/2008
: at 10:47 AM, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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:>"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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:>:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>:> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:>:>
:>:> :
:>:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message...
:>:> :
:>:> :> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:>:> :
:>:> :> :Saddam is irrelevant.... the CIA handled his rise
:>:
:>:> :> Lie.
:>:
:>:> :Which part ??
:>:
:>:> Pretty much all of it.
:>:
:>:> :> 'Persia' is *Iran*, not Iraq.
:>:
:>:> :Excuse me ?? About like the USA is Texas.
:>:
:>:> You're not excused. Silly parallel irrelevant.
:>:
:>:Percentage of land mass occupied to subject area is about equivalent
:>:to your claim that Iran was ALL of Persia. There was no silliness
there
:>:excepting your bogus claim.
:>:
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:>All of the Persian Empire was not 'Persia' any more than all of the
:>British Empire was 'Britain' or all of the Ottoman Empire was 'Turkey'.
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:>Buy a dictionary and look up 'Iran'. You'll find that it was called
:>'Persia' until the 1930s. Iraq was never called 'Persia'.
:
:>:> :Best find a nice OLD map, or merely have a go at something
historical.
:>:> :"Wiki" seems to believe that Mesopotamia is all there was to Persia.
:>:> :Kings Darius and Xerxes would tell of a different history for the
lands
:>:> :of Persia.
:>:> :
:>:> :Basically, Persia was everything you call the Middle East today,
plus some.
:>:> :
:>:> :Persia originated in the area now know as Iran. Iran however, didn't
:>:> :exist for some time to come. Persia extened into western Russia,
:>:> :Western and Central Asia, northern Africa, and what became known
:>:> :as Turkey, Israel, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Afghanistan, Syria,
Pakistan,
:>:> :Caucasia, (Saudi) Arabia, etc... although it's really not doing the
:>:> :dynasty any justice to try and place it's holdings by using current
:>:> :'state' names.
:>:
:>:> You could just as easily claim the whole region was 'Turkey' based on
:>:> the Ottoman centuries. Peoples and cultures originate in places.
The
:>:> fact that the British Empire at one point encompassed Canada and
:>:> Australia doesn't make either Canada or Australia 'Britain'.
:>:
:>:You're making my point FOR me again. Persia was *not* just Iraq
:>:as you claimed in error earlier.
:>:
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:>You can't read. MY claim is that Iraq is *NOT* Persia; IRAN is Persia.
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:>:Aside: both Canada and Australia have English as a language. I'd
:>:say that certifies the effect felt by the British Empire.
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:>Nobody said anything about 'effects'. Is it your contention that Canada
:>can correctly be referred to as 'Britain'? Is it your contention that
:>Australia can correctly be referred to as 'Britain'?
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:>As for 'effects', let's examine Iran and Iraq, shall we? Iranians are
:>ethnically different from Iraqis.
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:>Iranians are: Persian 51%, Azerbaijani 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%,
:>Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%. Note how
:>small that Arab minority is.
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:>Iraqis are: Arab 75% 80%, Kurdish 15% 20%, Turkoman, Assyrian, or other
:>5%. Note that 'Persian' doesn't even get mentioned.
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:>Iranians speak Farsi. Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish.
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:>The two cultures are very different. Yet you keep trying to act as if
:>'Iraq' and 'Persia' are the same.
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:>:
:>:> :> :is also fairly irrelevant unless it spans a couple of
:>:> :> :thousand years of *real* Persian history.... not just what your
:>:> :> :government wants you to see in order to garner continued sup****t
:>:> :> :for their phony war to steal the natural resources of Iraq.
:>:
:>:> :> ANY evidence of such 'theft'?
:>:
:>:> :Duhhh..... care to open your eyes?
:>:
:>:> Lack of evidence noted.
:>:
:>:Blindness and voluntary ignorance noted. ;-)
:>:
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:>Attempt to divert attention by personal attack noted.
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:>Continuing lack of evidence noted.
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:>:> :> Hell, we're not even making them pay
:>:> :> for all the money we're spending trying to put their
:>:> :> oil industry back on its feet.
:>:
:>:> :So what the hell are you driving at ? Would you like to make any
:>:> :MORE of my points FOR me ?? Iran and Iraq both have a HUGE
:>:> :budgetary surplus, while the US is rapidly going bankrupt in a last-
:>:> :ditch effort by the cor****ate Coup D'Etat of 2000 to scrape some
:>:> :more cash out of *your* pocketbook off of the OIL which is failing
:>:> :to come from Iraq.
:>:
:>:> Whatever you were ingesting, smoking, or shooting when you wrote the
:>:> preceding is something you should probably be abstaining from.
:>:
:>:Nice, fact-filled rebuttal.
:>:
:>:Have a nice day Fred.
:>:
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:>One doesn't rebut lunacy with facts. The loon has already
:>demonstrated that they are impervious to facts.
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